Moleculer Side of Homeopathy?

[Daylightstar]

I request all to leave Reflection....topic and discuss further here.

Since relevant, I am also quoting my post in that topic here.

I think mV is Megavolt and -70 mV will be equal to -70000000 volts.
http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/voltage/megav-to-volt.htm

It looks to be quite low to generate resting and action potential even by one molecule of any substance.

Stay away from the overhead lines. Do not climb on a train.

 

[Daylightstar]

Whatever. You can just correct, add and contribute ignoring my odds to be positive. If MV, mV, MeV, meV etc make difference, it is bit odd in look.

50C, 100C, 200C, makes no difference. It's all the same amount of nothing.

 

[fuelair]

50C, 100C, 200C, makes no difference. It's all the same amount of nothing.

I see a movie in this: "It Came from Kumar's Brainous!!!!!!!" !!!!!

 

[Daylightstar]

I see a movie in this: "It Came from Kumar's Brainous!!!!!!!" !!!!!

In which the lead actor 'proves everybody wrong' by climbing on a train and grabbing the overhead lines.
I'm not sure if that should be the beginning or the end of the movie

 

[Daylightstar]

S-s-s-s-seventttty m-m-m-million v-v-v-voltttts flash boom psssh.

 

[fuelair]

S-s-s-s-seventttty m-m-m-million v-v-v-voltttts flash boom psssh.

From your mouth to the FSM's noodly appendages!!!!!

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, it's good of you to admit your mistake, but that does not change things. M or m do indeed look small, but make a big difference. The fact that you did not understand the difference in the first place establishes that, when it comes to science, you know far less than you wish to pretend to. This, in turn, means that your attempts to claim scientific validity for homeopathy are shown to be, well, pathetic. You clearly know little about science, and this establishes that your arguments are not based in (physical) reality.

For instance, the fact that you could not distinguish between mV and MV in measuring action potential shows definitively that you have no idea what action potential is, let alone how it is measured or what its effects are. Yet you pretended (at least by implication) that you did. This is not honest argument, and if you will not argue honestly you will not have much effect when you complain that you asked for "positive".

Ignorance is not, in principle, A & F, but if you will not learn your condition will not change.

Yes but issue is not 2+2=4 or 2 &2 is 22 or 2X2=4 or 2-2=0, issue is, subject to current understandings of science, I think minimum amount as required for generating action, resting potentials and justifying all or not principle, can be generated by homeopathic remedies or not? If yes, ok we can go ahead, if no we can't and can only depend for future understandings of science.

 

[Kumar]

The problem is that you just read 70 million volts, and did not think twice about it.

Hans

I looked minus before that and was bit confused. Now it is clear.

 

[Kumar]

I really thought that my knowledge of homeopathy was complete enough that it would be impossible for me to encounter something that would surprise me.



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As far as I am concerned Homeopathy's silliness just went from 18C to 19C.

Tks. It gives me good idea about a prominent person here, somewhat exactly similar. It may also be related to one type of personality.

 

[jaydeehess]

In grade four,,, waaay back in 1966,,,, we were taught that metric fractional measure abbreviations were lower case, and multiples of ten measures were upper case.

Thus pV,nV,uV,mV,,,,Volt,,,KV, MV, TV

 

[jaydeehess]

Yes but issue is not 2+2=4 or 2 &2 is 22 or 2X2=4 or 2-2=0, issue is, subject to current understandings of science, I think minimum amount as required for generating action, resting potentials and justifying all or not principle, can be generated by homeopathic remedies or not? If yes, ok we can go ahead, if no we can't and can only depend for future understandings of science.

How can you even pretend to discuss science if it takes a great deal of thought to keep the difference between 70mV and 70MV straight. That absolutely is on the level of understanding that 2+2=4 is.

btw, stating that 2 & 2 is 22 is not math. A pair of 2s is the symbol that by convention is used to represent 20&2.

 

[Kumar]

In grade four,,, waaay back in 1966,,,, we were taught that metric fractional measure abbreviations were lower case, and multiples of ten measures were upper case.

Thus pV,nV,uV,mV,,,,Volt,,,KV, MV, TV

Sorry but that should be a tolerable mistake considering bit odd of science by keeping so much difference between 'M' and 'n' whereas least in language. 'My' or 'my' does not make much different in language and meaning.

 

[EHocking]

Sorry but that should be a tolerable mistake

No.
An error of an order of magnitude of 12, is not tolerable in science.

It is the difference between holding an AA battery in your hand and grasping a high tension power line above a train (for an example you might understand).

by keeping so much difference between 'M' and 'n' whereas least in language. 'My' or 'my' does not make much different in language and meaning.

Actually, depending on context, it does.
My can be the abbreviation for myopia in medicine.
my can be the country code for Malaysia on www
my can be the abbreviation for million years

Pretending that language is not important in science is pretty much the realm of charlatans and snake-oil sellers. That's why the shysters that peddle homeopathetic "remedies" pretend that the word "proving" means the same as "testing" their quackery.

It doesn't, and it isn't.

 

[Mojo]

Sorry but that should be a tolerable mistake considering bit odd of science by keeping so much difference between 'M' and 'n' whereas least in language. 'My' or 'my' does not make much different in language and meaning.

The problem is not so much that you misread the notation but that you thought that 70 million volts was a plausible value for the potential across a cell membrane. It should have been immediately apparent to you that you had got something wrong.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I've had a little look back over Kumnar's previous efforts here and I have to say he does seem to be remarkably illiterate, inumerate and doggedly persistent at being wrong if he claims to be any sort of physician.

Given his latest stuff up over voltage levels, I think i can see where is going with this molecular stuff. In his OP he seems to have confused the Korsakovian dilution method with true molecular level dilutions. It makes things harder to explain when the audience is struggling with basic maths.

I also get the impression Kumar thinks molecules are about the same size as protozoa and they dissolve like jelly. Or in other words, he hasn't an actual clue and doesn't want one either. So why do we bother?

 

[Kumar]

No.
An error of an order of magnitude of 12, is not tolerable in science.

It is the difference between holding an AA battery in your hand and grasping a high tension power line above a train (for an example you might understand).Actually, depending on context, it does.
My can be the abbreviation for myopia in medicine.
my can be the country code for Malaysia on www
my can be the abbreviation for million years

Pretending that language is not important in science is pretty much the realm of charlatans and snake-oil sellers. That's why the shysters that peddle homeopathetic "remedies" pretend that the word "proving" means the same as "testing" their quackery.

It doesn't, and it isn't.

Yes big mistake in science term. I do not understand how science has kept such thing which can misguide to a common man. Supoose a common man take MV as mV for live wire by oversight. You can understand the horrible outcome.

 

[Stuart]

Dehydration.

Yeah - but only given on a sugar pill

 

[Kumar]

The problem is not so much that you misread the notation but that you thought that 70 million volts was a plausible value for the potential across a cell membrane. It should have been immediately apparent to you that you had got something wrong.

Yes, it would definately had been if minus sign would had not before values.

Anyway leave it and go further. I already recognized my mistake but difference inspite of similar M & m is also a big odd in science.

It has been noted, we also get effect by reflected or emitted EM spectrum(like looking someone). This is not molecular quantity. Hence I am not making base of it in this topic. But I think, even a single or just few molecule of any substance should be able to cause some effects in us.

Hence, now there should not be any contradiction or aurgument about presence of information in molecular based remedies.

About their efficacy, we may need to dig more into the conducted studies, whether molecular based remedies show better outcome? Since, I use this type of remedies since long back, I personally feel these are quite effective(but can't prove to your standards).

 

[Kumar]

I've had a little look back over Kumnar's previous efforts here and I have to say he does seem to be remarkably illiterate, inumerate and doggedly persistent at being wrong if he claims to be any sort of physician.

Yes I am not a physician.

Given his latest stuff up over voltage levels, I think i can see where is going with this molecular stuff. In his OP he seems to have confused the Korsakovian dilution method with true molecular level dilutions. It makes things harder to explain when the audience is struggling with basic maths.

Sepration of adsorbed molecules due to potentization process basis on using K method can be the basis of molecular presence even in higher potencies than 12 C.

I also get the impression Kumar thinks molecules are about the same size as protozoa and they dissolve like jelly. Or in other words, he hasn't an actual clue and doesn't want one either. So why do we bother?

No but I do feel a spectrum reflected from a red dot from computer screen may cause us to increase our physiological activity or concentration than looking whole screen simultaneouisly.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Yes big mistake in science term. I do not understand how science has kept such thing which can misguide to a common man. Supoose a common man take MV as mV for live wire by oversight. You can understand the horrible outcome.

Kumar, this sort of information is not hidden from anyone. It is usually taught to children in lower grade high school, including in India where it seems clear that's where you are from. India has plenty of excellent teachers and world-class scientists. They would not be so if this was hidden from them.

A "common man" should not be playing with electricity at all if he does not understand the difference between mV and MV. His children should be helping him. Even the common everyday Indian people who connect houses up illegally to power poles (power-stealing) know about this sort of thing. It's how they stay alive.

Yes, it would definately had been if minus sign would had not before values.

Seriously, don't play with electrical power. You are going to kill yourself.

Yes I am not a physician.

Thank goodness!

Sepration of adsorbed molecules due to potentization process basis on using K method can be the basis of molecular presence even in higher potencies than 12 C.

No it can't. The K method is no more effective than any other method used for potentising homeopathic remedies. Or in other words, it is just as big a load of nonsense.

No but I do feel a spectrum reflected from a red dot from computer screen may cause us to increase our physiological activity or concentration than looking whole screen simultaneouisly.

This is completely relevant to YOUR OWN TOPIC of molecular homeopathy. Not.