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Moleculer Side of Homeopathy?

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Hello all,

We have disscused a lot in following thread but still not ending. That thread should have been bit tired and OP was meant for other purpose. So I felt it better to discuss about posible science and positive about homeopathy in this new thread.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304469

In this regards, I shall limit potencies limited to assured and posible molecular presence and keep sub-molecular side pending for science not to be discussed here. Unless we know in each study which potency and which type of method(H or K) was used, we can not say for sure whether wrong remedy was used or right remedy didn't worked over and above normal placebo.

Following Terms will be needed:-

1.Adsorption

2. 'H' and 'K' Methods for remedy preparation(seprate vials at each step and same vial at all steps).

3. Hormesis Principle i.e Biphasic effect--High dose inhibition and low dose stimulation of physiological activities.

4. 12 C and 24 X potencies are anticipated as threshold limit for molecular presence beyond which molecular presence can't be possible unless it is possible by sepration of adsorbed molecules on vial walls.

5. Minimum Stimulas needed for neuro-muscular stimulation. Threshold Stimulus & Potencial and all or none law etc.

Try to evalute science with positive preception to get and give and to live and let live.

Best wishes.
 
I've begun collecting mice for the experiment. What homeo-pathically treatable condition will we inflict upon them to test this?
 
Yet another Kumar thread on homeopathy which ignores what the ultra-dilute homeopathic remedies actually are - water containing no molecules of any active ingredients.
Thus the "Moleculer Side of Homeopathy" does not exist :jaw-dropp!

The dilute remedies do not work according to mainstream medicine since they contain nothing that has been shown to cure what homeopaths claim they cure.
For example: Homeopathy for autism? That’s certainly not thinking!
Tuberculinum which is a nosode derived from a tubercular abscess is recommended combined with Lycopodium - spores from a species of clubmoss.
If Tuberculinum fails, try Syphilinum, a nosode from a syphilitic abscess .
If Syphilinum fails, try Carcinosin (derived from cancerous tissues, specifically breast cancer)
Maybe Natrum Muriaticum will work - sodium chloride, e.g. table salt :eek:!
 
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Kumar said:
1.Adsorption
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Adsorption
Adsorption is the adhesion of atoms, ions, or molecules from a gas, liquid, or dissolved solid to a surface.[1] This process creates a film of the adsorbate on the surface of the adsorbent.
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Fairly irrelevant to homeopathy since they explicitly shake heir containers in their factories - little or no adsorption . This could be a fantasy that the active ingredient sticks to the walls of the containers and then magically washes out when the container emptied.
 
Kumar said:
2. 'H' and 'K' Methods for remedy preparation
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Citations please, Kumar.
Generally there is little regulation of the manufacturing processes in homeopathic factories so they could be using any method they like.
The FDA requires conformation with current good manufacturing practices with exceptions for homeopathy:
However, due to the unique nature of these drug products, some requirements of 21 CFR 211 are not applicable, as follows:
1.Section 211.137 (Expiration dating) specifically exempts homeopathic drug products from expiration dating requirements.
2.Section 211.165 (Testing and release for distribution): In the Federal Register of April 1, 1983 (48 FR 14003), the Agency proposed to amend 21 CFR 211.165 to exempt homeopathic drug products from the requirement for laboratory determination of identity and strength of each active ingredient prior to release for distribution.​
Pending a final rule on this exemption, this testing requirement will not be enforced for homeopathic drug products.
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Kumar said:
3. Hormesis Principle i.e Biphasic effect--High dose inhibition and low dose stimulation of physiological activities..
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A "Hormesis Principle " does not exist. There is hormesis
Hormesis is the term for generally favorable biological responses to low exposures to toxins and other stressors.
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This is irrelevant unless Kumar is claiming that homeopathic ingredients are toxins :eek:.

Biphasic means having 2 phases. There are biphasic diseases. We could say that same medicines have different effects according to their dosage and so are biphasic or multiphasic.
Hormesis
does not have two phases!
 
Kumar said:
4. 12 C and 24 X potencies are anticipated as threshold limit for molecular presence beyond which molecular presence can't be possible unless it is possible by sepration of adsorbed molecules on vial walls.
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Slightly wrong. Homeopathic dilutions
12C (24X) dilutions whose "60% probability of containing one molecule of original material if one mole of the original substance was used" will have less than that due to molecules adsorbed in previous dilutions using new containers.
 
Mojo said:
Kumar, the results of RCTs fail to show that homoeopathy works.
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Pls provide specific evidences that homeopathy fail to work by using molecular remedies, as I anticipated(lower potencies and K method used).
 
Kumar said:
Pls provide specific evidences that homeopathy fail to work by using molecular remedies, as I anticipated(lower potencies and K method used).
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Please refer to your other threads on homeopathy, Kumar, that contain specific evidences that homeopathy fails to work by using many "molecular remedies". Even the ones you want us to read your mind about :p!
If I was not on ignore then this would be an easy way for you to find the evidence.
1 April 2016 Kumar: The science and ethics that homeopaths are denying and violating (including your "god of the gaps" argument used since 22 October 2013)

Or even easier: 22 October 2013 Kumar: 200 years of evidence that homeopathy does not work!
 
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To support my point no 5 of OP, I repost it here also:-

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This POTENTIAL generally measures about 70 millivolts (with the INSIDE of the membrane negative with respect to the outside). So, the RESTING MEMBRANE POTENTIAL is expressed as -70 mV, and the minus means that the inside is negative relative to (or compared to) the outside. It is called a RESTING potential because it occurs when a membrane is not being stimulated or conducting impulses (in other words, it's ...

Threshold stimulus & potential

Action potentials occur only when the membrane in stimulated (depolarized) enough so that sodium channels open completely. The minimum stimulus needed to achieve an action potential is called the threshold stimulus.
The threshold stimulus causes the membrane potential to become less negative (because a stimulus, no matter how small, causes a few sodium channels to open and allows some positively-charged sodium ions to diffuse in).
If the membrane potential reaches the threshold potential (generally 5 - 15 mV less negative than the resting potential), the voltage-regulated sodium channels all open. Sodium ions rapidly diffuse inward, & depolarization occurs.


All-or-None Law - action potentials occur maximally or not at all. In other words, there's no such thing as a partial or weak action potential. Either the threshold potential is reached and an action potential occurs, or it isn't reached and no action potential occurs

http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/301notes2.htm
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Kumar said:
I request all to leave Reflection....topic and discuss further here.

Since relevant, I am also quoting my post in that topic here.
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Wow.
Two posts back to back that contradict each other.
This POTENTIAL generally measures about 70 millivolts (with the INSIDE of the membrane negative with respect to the outside). So, the RESTING MEMBRANE POTENTIAL is expressed as -70 mV, and the minus means that the inside is negative relative to (or compared to) the outside. It is called a RESTING potential because it occurs when a membrane is not being stimulated or conducting impulses (in other words, it's ...
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and then
I think mV is Megavolt and -70 mV will be equal to -70000000 volts.
http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/v...av-to-volt.htm
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How do you expect to "...discuss about posible [sic] science..." when you can't even understand the most basic of information.

My 8yr old great-niece understands the difference between milli and mega
 
EHocking said:
Wow.
Two posts back to back that contradict each other.

and then

How do you expect to "...discuss about posible [sic] science..." when you can't even understand the most basic of information.

My 8yr old great-niece understands the difference between milli and mega
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Better would had been that you had told accordingly. I requested to be positive.
 
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