Mobertermy's Pentagon Evidence

Mobertermy said:
Actually, I am pretty sure I am arguing against what Oystein is saying.


Nope, its relevant to what Oystein is saying.
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SO both of you take it to another thread? I dont care if Oystein stated, you could easily answer "Sorry, but this thread is not about Jews or the sort, please start another thread".

I'm not. They said they were set up to fail. 42% of Americans think they did. That is failure.
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And what Americans believe has no bearing on this. Nearly that much believe in Aliens, Bigfoot and Creationism.

Nearly that many have never read or heard of the 9/11 Commission Report.
 
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Arus808 said:
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT I STATED! You are twisting my words and the words of EVERY SINGLE Person who have shown you over and over again that this WAS NOT THE CASE!
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Why do you continue to lie about the fact that Kean and Hamilton said they thought the commision was set up to fail?


What part of this do you have a hard time understanding.


42% of Americans think the 911CR is wrong according to a poll. If you think that number is wrong prove it.
 
Mobertermy said:
They said they were set up to fail. 42% of Americans think they did. That is failure.
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Much like everything else you assert, there is no evidence for this. Not one poll anywhere in the world says that 42% of Americans believe that the 9/11 Commission failed.

You should really stop posting and go take a logic class. Or talk to a photography teacher. Or read the 9/11 Commission report. Or read Lawrence Wright's Looming Tower. What you are doing here seems akin to what someone else once said about another poster - a basking shark in a sea of ignorance. You seem to revel in it. Unless this is performance art, this isn't something to be proud of.

eta - Here is the poll question that elicited the 42%. I would fire my research agency if they asked something like this.

24. Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with?
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False dichotomy much?
 
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Mobertermy said:
Why do you continue to lie about the fact that Kean and Hamilton said they thought the commision was set up to fail?
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DAVE provided the entire QUOTE in context. You are the one that is lying

Why do you continue to lie?
why must you be so dishonest?
We have their words from the book they published and for the hundredth time this has been discussed, they were NOT set up to fail. People in Washington felt they were, they may haVE FELT they were, but in the end,
THE FINAL result - they didn't fail.

YOU are so dishonest that someone in your position should be embarrassed.

We have their words in writing.

42% of Americans think the 911CR is wrong according to a poll. If you think that number is wrong prove it.
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I didn't say the poll is wrong (however, you've yet to link to this so called poll). I said that what Americans believe mean bupkiss

Nearly that many believe in Aliens, Bigfoot and Creationism
Nearly that many have never heard of or even READ the 9/11 Commission report.
 
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Mobertermy said:
Dude you realize they discussed the "set up to fail" thing more than once right?
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So?


Did they say they thought the commission was set up to fail or not? Yes or no?
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Yes

Do they think it failed? Yes or no?
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No

What percentage of Americans agree with them?
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Who the hell cares. Fact is not a democracy

Ok so now that I have answered your questions.....answer mine....

How could a plane have impacted from an NOC angle without having left an internal trail of damage unique to that angle?

and do you agree that Mr Morin has to be a SoC witness or no witness at all?
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Solomon: Now, one of the stipulations, you write in the book, one of the ways that you thought that this ought to be successful, this report, the Commission Report, is on page 23, you said if the American people would accept the results as authoritative, and the recommendations.

And when I measure that against a Zogby poll done in May, that says now 42% of Americans say that "the U.S. government, and its 9/11 Commission, concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts the official explanation of September 11th, saying there's a cover-up" - 42%, Mr. Hamilton - what does that say to you about the efficacy of the Commission's report?

That's from a CBC interview...is it wrong?
 
D'rok said:
THANK YOU! This is evidence for a claim. Finally. That wasn't so hard was, it? I now agree with you that they thought they were set up to fail.

That's one down.

Now, will you move on to the others? Like NOC impact damage, for example? Or any of the other ridiculous things you have asserted?
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I am agnostic towards the Pentagon. My whole NoC-impact thing was more an argument against CIT that "NoC proves flyover." All the NoC witnesses claim the plane hit. (I do tend towards this explanation though.)
 
Mobertermy said:
Good then you finally admit that they said they were set up to fail...
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Your rhetorical games stink.


"I felt that my teacher set us up to fail, yet I got an A on the exam".
Did I fail, or did I pass?

"We felt that the Commission was set up to fail, yet we succeeded"
Did they fail, or did they succeed?
 
Mobertermy;6782582[I said:
Every Truther has heard a thousand times from OCTers that the gov't wouldn't kill its own citizens.[/I] For you guys to pretend like this isn't the case is just bs - plain and simple.

As far as the evidence in this specific case goes we disagree on it - plain and simple.

As far as what I consider the evidence to be in regards to the Pentagon all I did was present an alternative possibility to what CIT presented. Basically my claim is that CIT makes non-sequiturs. They claim that a north path proves flyover...why can't the plane hit? They claim that Lloyde England is an accomplice...didn't they just get done telling us how the witness testimony proves the physical evidence wrong? Why are they turning this on its head when it comes to Lloyde.
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But how many times has anyone actually said it?
 
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Oystein said:
Your rhetorical games stink.
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Actually you suck at analogies

"I felt that my teacher set us up to fail, yet I got an A on the exam".
Did I fail, or did I pass?
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A better analogy would be that you got a 58% on the test. Did you fail?

"We felt that the Commission was set up to fail, yet we succeeded"
Did they fail, or did they succeed?
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Only 58% of the populace agrees with them. Did they fail?
 
So what does this "commission" argument have to do with the Pentagon? It's like complaining they didn't investigate WTC7. The FBI did the investigation.
 
Mobertermy said:
Good, then you agree that there is nothing wrong with someone considering the government a suspect in the crime and looking into it. Good, we have no disagreement.
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You could do it with or without our agreement.
 
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