Mobertermy's Pentagon Evidence

Just to add to the chorus so you don't dodge the question...what about these?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html

Are they all NOC witnesses?

Even most of CIT so called NoC witnesses are not when you examine them carefully. the most obvious one is Mr Morin but even the stories of the rest are equally well explained as simple mistakes

I first went through this in this thread debating with a truther called MrSammo (possibly a sock puppet for Balsammo)

http://forums.delphiforums.com/flt93crash/messages?msg=1437.1
 
Even most of CIT so called NoC witnesses are not when you examine them carefully. the most obvious one is Mr Morin but even the stories of the rest are equally well explained as simple mistakes

I first went through this in this thread debating with a truther called MrSammo (possibly a sock puppet for Balsammo)

http://forums.delphiforums.com/flt93crash/messages?msg=1437.1
Damn, that link is blocked at my work. Probably a good thing for my productivity this afternoon.
 
Bump.

Ever hear of Frank Probst? Yeah, CIT hadn't either.


Yes I have! I knew I was forgetting something. Probst is actually one of the strongest NoC flightpath witnesses and witness that the poles were also down NoC. Read his account and it is obvious that he was NoC and three poles fell down around him.
 
"Again"? Odd, you didn't post in any of the CIT threads dealing with NoC... or did you? :rolleyes:

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I've been through this NoC SoC debate so many other places that I just don't have it in me to argue with you about it. I'm sure you think you have found SoC witnesses and nothing will change your mind about it. All I am doing in this thread is explaining how the NoC-impact theory works. I'm not even trying to prove its true.
 
Irreducible delusion at work.


  • Refusal to change the belief at any cost, leading to increasingly improbable excuses;
  • Demands for a disproof, rather than providing any evidence;
  • Dogged avoidance of direct discussion, either through distraction or total refusal to give debate; and
  • Dropping discussion of the belief altogether, in seeming acquiescence of superior logic, only to bring it up again unchanged at a later date.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118389
 
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All I am doing in this thread is explaining how the NoC-impact theory works. I'm not even trying to prove its true.

Probably for the very good reason that proving it happened is impossible seeing as how it didn't.
 
Yes I have! I knew I was forgetting something. Probst is actually one of the strongest NoC flightpath witnesses and witness that the poles were also down NoC. Read his account and it is obvious that he was NoC and three poles fell down around him.


what three poles? be specific
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The only thing I will say on the subject D'ork is that most of those witnesses are neither SoC or NoC witnesses. Some of those people are way down on 395 or Columbia Pike for instance.

So if there are so many people who are neither NoC or SoC, then maybe the plane came from WoC or EoC? :rolleyes:
 
Irreducible delusion at work.


  • Refusal to change the belief at any cost, leading to increasingly improbable excuses;
  • Demands for a disproof, rather than providing any evidence;
  • Dogged avoidance of direct discussion, either through distraction or total refusal to give debate; and
  • Dropping discussion of the belief altogether, in seeming acquiescence of superior logic, only to bring it up again unchanged at a later date.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118389

What don't you get? This thread isn't about whether NoC is valid or not, its about whether a plane could hit from NoC or not. Get it? I'm challenging CIT's notion that NoC proves flyover. If you want to go through the whole NoC SoC thing go ahead...I've seen all the arguments pro and con and I have come to my conclusions, just as you have come to yours...I don't even know what you think there is to discuss about it to be honest.
 


what three poles? be specific
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AW, go read his account. Its easy to find in google. He (Frank Probst) said he was on the sidewalk in front of the Pentagon when the plane flew directly overhead of him knocking down three lightposts. That doesn't fit anywhere on the official path or any of the SoC lightposts.
 
What don't you get? This thread isn't about whether NoC is valid or not, its about whether a plane could hit from NoC or not. Get it? I'm challenging CIT's notion that NoC proves flyover. If you want to go through the whole NoC SoC thing go ahead...I've seen all the arguments pro and con and I have come to my conclusions, just as you have come to yours...I don't even know what you think there is to discuss about it to be honest.
There is nothing to discuss. Your delusion is irreducible and impregnable. I pity you.

Good bye.
 
Because if you did that you would have to say AQ had infiltrated the Pentagon. Use the plane as cover and then just claim the plane caused all damage.

Why doesn't anyone suffer any barotrauma type injuries? Why aren't there dozens of pieces of exterior wall scattered hundreds of feet all over the Pentagon lawn? Why are there no broken windows in the cars that were on the VA Pike?

I wonder......:rolleyes:
 
Yes I have! I knew I was forgetting something. Probst is actually one of the strongest NoC flightpath witnesses and witness that the poles were also down NoC. Read his account and it is obvious that he was NoC and three poles fell down around him.

what in
"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."

says NoC????

or here?
"Exactly 60 years later, half the world was watching the World Trade Center burn on television on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

Frank Probst was one of them. A Pentagon renovation worker and retired Army officer, he was inspecting newly installed telecommunications wiring inside the five-story, 6.5-million-square-foot building.

The tall, soft-spoken Probst had a 10 a.m. meeting. About 9:25 a.m., he stopped by the renovation workers' trailer just south of the Pentagon heliport. Someone had a television turned on in the trailer's break room that showed smoke pouring out of the twin towers in New York.

"The Pentagon would make a pretty good target," someone in the break room commented.

The thought stuck with Probst as he picked up his notebook and walked to the North Parking Lot to attend his meeting.

Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident. Then, at about 9:35 a.m., he saw the airliner in the cloudless September sky.

American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

He still can't remember the sound of the explosion. Sometimes the memory starts to come back when he hears a particularly low-flying airliner heading into nearby Reagan National Airport, or when military jets fly over a burial at Arlington National Cemetery.

Most of the time, though, his memory is silent.

"It was pretty horrible," he said of the noiseless images he carries inside him, of the jet vanishing in a cloud of smoke and dust, and bits of metal and concrete drifting down like confetti.

On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away."

??????
 
Why doesn't anyone suffer any barotrauma type injuries? Why aren't there dozens of pieces of exterior wall scattered hundreds of feet all over the Pentagon lawn? Why are there no broken windows in the cars that were on the VA Pike?

I wonder......:rolleyes:


Actually there is evidence of this. All kinds of people had debris rain down on their car.
 
Yes I have! I knew I was forgetting something. Probst is actually one of the strongest NoC flightpath witnesses and witness that the poles were also down NoC. Read his account and it is obvious that he was NoC and three poles fell down around him.


please show us on Google earth which three NoC poles you think came down.......that way we can look in the photos and perhaps we will find them:D
 
Has been done a thousand times, including on this forum with the same participants who are now spamming those lists again as if nothing ever happened. Yawn.

Well that's because nothing did, Muddy the mudskipper just hand waved off SOC witnesses as unconfirmed or media reports, Or did not actually see the impact itself, He disqualified any witness that not meet his seven points of confirmation,


  1. Witnessed the impact itself
  2. Mentions seeing the citgo station
  3. absence of first hand report (media report disqualified)
  4. was not a government employee
  5. was in a position to see a substantial length of the flight path
  6. saw the aircraft itself and not a shadow
  7. If all above are met, witness must be disinfo


when the mudskipper was pressed to present the math for this NOC flight path, he dismissed the request to back up his claim as "speculation"
 
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Actually there is evidence of this. All kinds of people had debris rain down on their car.


"Raining down" is not equal to the explosive blast required to blow a 14ft diameter hole in the wall. A blast that big would shatter windows for hundreds of yards around. None were. Now a KE impact is different as the energy is not in the form of a rapidly expandly gas cloud but rather just in a solid object hitting another......sure a loud noise but very different blast effects.
 
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