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MMR

Prester John

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This article in the new scientist, showing the dangers of bad science and media misrepresentation of a situation.
If anyone is in any doubt of the dangers of measles, the problems of not getting all 3 at the same time and the potential damage done to childrens health i will be happy to provide more information.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994036
 
Well I feel very sorry for any children that might die as a result of this but I will be glad that their parents spend the rest of their lives carrying the unbearable misery of guilt for, in effect, murdering their own children.
 
I can tell you a few people who are celebrating this news of the MMR rejection. And I can tell you why parents think that single shots are better than a combined shot. If you tell them any different, then you are a part of the 'drug company conspiracy' and are most likely a pharmacist.

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=79116

Parents believe that vaccines, especially combined vaccines, overwhelm and weaken the immune system. This 'information' is in numerous books written by 'doctors' or OMD's.

There are parents on every freakin parent site I've been to on the internet that are refusing vaccines for their kids.

I've been kicked off of one for asking one little question about "how a virus is a part of the natural flora of the gut". I didn't know a virus could be either flora or fauna since it is barely even a microbe. Most plants and animals that can be called a plant or animal, can replicate and are at least cells.

Oh, and polio is natural to the flora of the gut too, don't you know. There is a 'hole' left by the polio vaccine that must now be filled up by Hib now...so Hib is natural to the gut now instead of polio...never mind that Hib is bacteria, and polio is a virus.

So don't get the polio vaccine folks...you need to exersize your immune system with the polio virus..

We're just going to see even more people not immunizing their kids until there is an epidemic. My husband says that only the stupid people will die, but infants that haven't had all their shots yet will also be harmed.

http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72738&highlight=mmr
(note the advice to NOT talk to your doctor)

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=2708

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=36256

****pulls out hair****

Here, see for yourself how supposedly 'horrible' MMR and other vaccines are...


Vaccines have many more side effects

than is generally recognized, and has

been linked to chronic problems such as

asthma, eczema, autism as well as

serious brain injury.
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http://www.babycenter.com/tips/3317.html
And yes it is true that measles
antibodies cause leaky gut. There are not only studies on it
there are treatments for it.
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Yeah, HOMEOPaTHIC treatments, and it's the homeopaths selling these treatments that say idiotic things like that to parents to get them to buy it for their kid with 'leaky gut'.

i'm happy to see that the results are just about split. that means that parents are starting to inform themselves before they put their children at risk from these shots. they are dangerous and the benefits, if any, do not out weigh the risks. parents keep informing yourselves, your children could be at risk for something more awful than whooping cough. thank god for the information age. your doctors won't share all the necessary info with you for you to make an informed decision. please educate yourselves before believing everything your doctors tell you. you have that right.
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Uh, it wasn't my doctor that told me to get the shots. It was the movies in school on the polio virus that told me to get the shots.




We did not immunize. If there is no danger, than why are almost half the people on your pole not immunizing? These few stats are the ones that made me say no to VAC... One - did you know that 100% of polio cases in the united states are with babys that did receive the polio vac. Thats Right! Not one child, who has not received the polio vac. Has gotten polio. Did you know that in China they have moved the dpt shot till the age of 2, and sids has been eliminated. 83% of all children that die from sids, die within 72 hours of the dpt shot. Why do you think they changed the shot in 1998 from dpt to dpat? Look it up! Research, don't be stupid!!!
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We would love to have
"SAFE" immunizations! Ones that are not loaded
with deadly toxins and other unspeakable contents and ones
that do not destroy the health of those who are injected!

Until then I will continue to find "alternate"
forms of immunizing my children, good health for starters!

Oh yeah and if you are sure of the immunizations by vaccine
that your children get (which the makers tell you are known
not to give full immunization and are very temperary) then
you should not be concerned about any risk from children who
are not vaccinated.

Simple. And every American parent (especialy where there is
a family history of injury) has the right to refuse what
they believe would be harmful or detremental to their
childrens health. This is America "the land of the
free" constitutional rights were put there to protect
people! In fact "Persons Health, strength, ect."
is listed under the very definition of "Constitution"
in the dictionary.
So there you have it people.
You may not agree with other people or the facts and reality
of what is happening and that's fine but pleas do not
attack, critisize or prejudge the people who are taking the
time to become educated on the subject.
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This site has loads of good pages

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars1.htm

among my favourites is

"see how harmless measles is" (WHO estimates
745,000 deaths in 2001 due to measles)

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/vaccines1.htm

this is part of the same site with links to all the information you are likely to need.


http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993742

that link provides evidence that the media reporting was unbalanced and misleading

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/459471

2 mothers lose a court case, judge describes their science as junk.
 
No, I just took some biology/microbiology/genetics courses in College. Hib is another routine vaccination.


H. influenzae is highly adapted to its human host. It is present in the nasopharynx of approximately 75 percent of healthy children and adults. It is rarely encountered in the oral cavity and it has not been detected in any other animal species. It is usually the non encapsulated strains that are harbored as normal flora, but a minority of healthy individuals (3-7 percent) intermittently harbor H. influenzae type b (Hib) encapsulated strains in the upper respiratory tract. Pharyngeal carriage of Hib is important in the transmission of the bacterium. The success of current vaccination programs against Hib is due in part to the effect of vaccination on decreasing carriage of the organism.
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A quote from my site where I quoted it originally here
 
Prester John said:
This site has loads of good pages

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars1.htm

among my favourites is

"see how harmless measles is" (WHO estimates
745,000 deaths in 2001 due to measles)

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/vaccines1.htm

this is part of the same site with links to all the information you are likely to need.


http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993742

that link provides evidence that the media reporting was unbalanced and misleading

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/459471

2 mothers lose a court case, judge describes their science as junk.
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The anti-vaxxers don't care about any of this, and have double debunked all this. They still say MMR causes autism.

A few months ago CFRNTV in Edmonton ran a story implicating MMR. I wrote in to complain, and Serena Mah laughed me off.

In fact, the story said "doctors don't have any explanation" It was never linked to vaccination ONLY a suspicion by a parent. I thank you again for your comments
Serena Mah
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Hmm, yeah, and not having an explanation doesn't validate the mom's claims at all...

the story went like this:

blah blah...when child got shots at 18 months she suddenly got blah blah symptoms of autism. Parents therefore suspect shots...doctors don't have any explanation....

THEN the story goes on about homeopathic remedies by this guy using some thing detecting electricity or whatever your body gives off and his 'treatments' and 'alternatives' to vaccines.

I wanted reassurance from Serena that a story like that wouldn't be run again without more proof about the 'dangers of vaccines'.

I didn't get it, so I emailed her higher up, and got this response

Thanks for the valuble input, Twyla. I think we needed to give a better perspective to the story. I've talked to Serena and we'll endeavor to do a more thorough job in the future. Thanks for keeping us on our toes!
Steve Hogle
Senior Producer
CFRN TV
Edmonton

shogle@ctv.ca
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When our own news stations are running these stories, then you can understand why parents are getting alarmed. The media is not helping at all!
 
The saddest part of this tale is that innocent children are put needlessly at risk.


"It is almost beyond the comprehension of sane people that there should be organised opposition to vaccines. A special place should be reserved in Hell for people who want to kill or maim children by preventing them from receiving vaccinations."
- from one of my linked sites

not that there is a hell of course :)
 
Well, things are only going to get worse without some drastic intervention. Why aren't there laws against those books that are published by the likes of Viera Scheibner??

Why isn't the sale of blatant lies banned? It's not censorship for gosh sakes!

Why aren't parents of children that are damaged by disease suing these authors...

Well, my friend said that she'd rather have her child die of a natural disease than have the child killed by vaccines.

I wish I had saved her emails. You wouldn't believe your eyes!

She even thinks HIV can be cured by the body if you give it the right 'tools'.

This is just going to get worse.
 
Well, I half hope there is an epidemic of measles.
The Sun will of course start putting the pictures of measles stricken cherubs on the front page and label the kooks murderers.

Hopefully...

The appalling thing is that it isnt the parents or the quacks who will suffer. It will be the children, who are innocent.

Gah!!!! just makes me angry!!!!! :j2:
 
Like a lot of scares, this one is very definitely of the post hoc ergo propter hoc variety.

My child started displaying clear symptoms of autism after having had the MMR injection, therefore it was the MMR injection that caused the autism.

Such a post hoc rationalization is common in public outcries or panics. The clear subtext of human-induced global warming, for example, is that because many places appear to be warming since the beginning of the 20th Century, and carbon dioxide is rising in the atmosphere therefore carbon dioxide enrichment is causing the warming. There are lots of examples you could think of.

On the other hand, I would rather injections were provided as single vaccines at the discretion of the parent, rather than have a lot of babies and children either die or suffer long-term health damage because of the effects of these highly infectious diseases.
 
Diamond said:
On the other hand, I would rather injections were provided as single vaccines at the discretion of the parent, rather than have a lot of babies and children either die or suffer long-term health damage because of the effects of these highly infectious diseases.
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At immense cost to the NHS- which means others will have to suffer as a result of depleted funds because some people are too stooped.
 
Jon_in_london said:


At immense cost to the NHS- which means others will have to suffer as a result of depleted funds because some people are too stooped.
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Perhaps the parents themselves could bear the extra cost themselves?
 
There is also the problem that it takes longer for the vaccinations to be complete, so you have a time when the children are vulnerable (maybe years). It is not the best way from a public health point of view, especially when there is no evidence that there are any problems with the MMR.

PJ
 
I would also like to add that pharm companies make no money off of vaccinations. Many companies have actually dropped these products, and the rest are sometimes subsidized by the US government.
 
Ugh. There is no proof MMR causes autism. For some 'reason' the only MMR shot that is implicated is the one that kids get around the same time they show symptoms of autism whether or not they are vaccinated. That is just the age kids start showing symptoms. To blame vaccines is ridiculous. What about the MMR shots kids get before 1 year of age. There are no complaints about those ones causing autism.

There is nothing in MMR that could possibly cause autism either. Not a single darn thing. Autism still is not as prevalent as schizophrenia, but for some reason people are saying that there is some epidemic of autism.

The scare tactics used to scare parents away from vaccines is unethical. The only people that say bad things about vaccines are people selling 'alternatives'. I have followed every single 'quote' of every single so called 'expert' saying that vaccines are harmful. They are all quacks. If they aren't a quack, then they are selling vitamins or 'alternative therapies'. Some quotes by actual doctors can't be traced back to them actually saying it.


MMR actually prevents autism...

We do know that encephalitis is one of the factors that pre-disposes children to autism. All three of the diseases prevented by the MMR vaccine, measles, mumps and rubella, can cause encephalitis. We would not want to leave children unprotected against these diseases for even a short period of time. The routine use of MMR has resulted in the prevention of many thousands of cases of congenital rubella syndrome, a recognized cause of autism. I support the continued use of the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccines as the safest and most effective means to protect children against these diseases.

Many hypotheses about causal factors have been offered to explain the increasing incidence of autism and diabetes. Statements made about hepatitis B vaccines before Congressman Mica's subcommittee on May 18,1999 have been refuted by letters submitted to the committee by the State Epidemiologist of New Hampshire and the Director-General of Health of New Zealand. Also, the study in Finland referred to by Dr. Classen was published in the British Medical Journal and reveals no evidence of any effect from Hib vaccination on the risk of diabetes.8 The increasing incidence of diabetes, autism, and other medical conditions for which no specific etiology has been identified parallels the increase in many other factors such as the use of wireless communications, computers, and fast food restaurants. One could easily hypothesize that these factors or many other changes in our lifestyles contributed to the increases in these diseases, but there is no scientific evidence to support these ideas. Two workshops have been conducted to investigate the possible link between childhood diabetes and vaccines, one at the Institute for Vaccine Safety and the other at the National Institutes of Health.9,10 The conclusions from both inquiries revealed no scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that vaccines cause diabetes. There are studies indicating the selective use of some vaccines early in life can prevent diabetes in animals, but to date, studies in humans have not confirmed this finding. Additional studies are in progress and other research is needed to identify methods for preventing this important cause of disease.

The history of medicine is filled with stories of physicians and others who have been quick to claim that they have the answers to complex medical problems based on inadequate studies. Just as people should not be misled by promises of cures from fake medications, we should not mislead people with false villains to blame when unexpected illnesses occur. The parents of children with diabetes, autism and other disorders that we do not fully understand deserve answers as to why this happened to their child. These answers should be based on sound scientific inquiries. Congress should support increased funding for research to identify the basic causes of these disorders.
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http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Testimony-O99.htm

The coincidence of autism symptoms showing up at roughly the same age in every child is not due to vaccines. It is when the symptoms show up. Symptoms of autism do not go up after vaccines are administered. They only show up when they usually do. It doesn't matter if there are vaccines involved or not.

Autism is still not as prevalent as other genetic disorders (disorders that are shown to run in families like autism does)
 
Hmmm... I'm a third-year medical student seeing patients every day right here in the good 'ole U.S. medical system, and no one has ever talked about, described, or educated me on "leaky gut" syndrome. You'd think that if this was such a problem that I would've learned about it by now.

Guess I'm getting gypped in my medical education. :rolleyes:

-TT
 
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