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MM, Let's Discuss NIST

The Almond

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MirageMemories said:
I took engineering in college. Structural engineering was my best grade. I wouldn't for a moment expect people in the profession to challenge the NIST findings without some assurance that it wouldn't bite them in the ass.
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I'm glad to find that another engineer is among the ranks. I was hoping you'd be willing to discuss some of your objections to the NIST report. I recall you saying that you didn't find it "convincing" enough. What, specifically, are your objections?
 
Yes I have started a thread like this before. I actually I have done it on other forums as well. You will not get a SPECIFIC answer for what their objections are. You will get trash like "Well I don't think it is possible for it to happen like that" without any scientific proof whatsoever. You may also get some crappy link dumps to CF websites that completely take the NIST report out of context and they try to analyze it using bad science. I am willing to bet $10,000 that MM does not respond with an answer that can be backed up by science and evidence. Any takers on that bet?
 
Now now gentlemen, there is no reason to be combative about this. This is an honest question and I'm looking forward to a fruitful discussion. I wanted to get this topic away from the other thread so that we could start politely.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Yes I have started a thread like this before. I actually I have done it on other forums as well. You will not get a SPECIFIC answer for what their objections are. You will get trash like "Well I don't think it is possible for it to happen like that" without any scientific proof whatsoever. You may also get some crappy link dumps to CF websites that completely take the NIST report out of context and they try to analyze it using bad science. I am willing to bet $10,000 that MM does not respond with an answer that can be backed up by science and evidence. Any takers on that bet?
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I was hoping that someone who took engineering in college and got his best grades in structural engineering would be able to provide a more scientific set of objections.
 
The Almond said:
I was hoping that someone who took engineering in college and got his best grades in structural engineering would be able to provide a more scientific set of objections.
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You would hope so, but I doubt it. Just because someone goes to college does not mean that their mind can not be polluted with WOO.
 
Gotta love this quotation:

I'm forever amused by how often skeptics make the claim that if the story is wrong the professionals will come running, screaming "no way!"
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That's how science works, you idiot uninformed individual.

The "paid-off, fear for safety and/or livelihood" argument is rather overworked and tiresome. However, it might be very interesting, say, if anyone who claimed such had any evidence in any capacity. Certainly, if tens of thousands of scientists are being paid-off or cowed into compliance, the crack investigators that are the CTs could find one, just one, who will say so. They might have to leave the confines of the internet to do so, however. So it may not be feasible after all.
 
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Mince said:
Certainly, if tens of thousands of scientists are being paid-off or cowed into compliance, the crack investigators that are the CTs could find one, just one, who will say so. They might have to leave the confines of the internet to do so, however. So it may not be feasible after all.
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I love how this "paid off" coverup apparently extends across all politcal/ideological barriers spanning the entire planet.

Apparently even the structural engineers in China, Venezuela or Iran are unwilling to speak out. Yup - NONE of them want to be the hero who uncovers da twoof.

:rolleyes:
 
Just bumping for MM. He's been logged in, but either hasn't seen or is ignoring this thread.
 
Miragememories said:
Well I think it's time to take a break from you folks.

Your repetitious crap gets very boring and it's such a waste of time responding to your baiting when it's apparent most of you aren't interested in intelligent creative dialogue.

For most of you it's a goal of 'break' anyone that challenges your smug dogmatic beliefs.

Well my beliefs are certainly vulnerable, but not to lame attacks by those who sacrifice individual thought for the sanctuary of insults and hiding behind the published works of those whom they believe cannot be criticized.

I'll drop by in a couple of weeks when I get bored and you folks need another feeding.

MM
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Miragememories has thrown in the towel ... :)
 
I wouldn't expect MM to show up, unless of course if it's just to continue his obfuscation. He's had ample opportunity to express his concerns about any perceived engineering issue with the NIST report, but so far either won't or (more likely) is can't.

I also have doubts about his educational claim. Of course, as usual MM can prove me wrong but I have my doubts. Every CTist I've encountered as lived down to expectations.
 
Firestone said:
Miragememories has thrown in the towel ... :)
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Just saw this. Not surprising at all. He knows he stepped in it with his easily refutable claim about taking engineering classes. I suspect he never attended college or if he did, never took any engineering or advanced math classes.
 
I asked on the other thread, what, specifically it was that convinced him that 9/11 was an inside job. What one piece of information altered his view from thinking it was the hijackers, and subsequent fires that caused the collapse.

His response? WTC 7.
 
Eh, I suppose I didn't expect much from the thread. The whole, "I'm a structural engineer, too" is part of the conspiracy fantasist debating strategy. Call them on it, and they flee.
 
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