Moderated MLM Crap :(

Mycroft said:
I'm not looking for a business opportunity, I'm just curious. It's something everyone uses everyday, but can't be delivered by mail?
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If it's only helpful in and used every day Hawaii, I'm guessing he's discovered the trade secret to mass-producing Spam, which, I think we all know, is listed as a controlled substance everywhere else in the US. :D
 
Wrathernaut said:
If it's only helpful in and used every day Hawaii, I'm guessing he's discovered the trade secret to mass-producing Spam, which, I think we all know, is listed as a controlled substance everywhere else in the US. :D
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My wife and friends never understood how people in Hawaii could possibly eat spam. When she finally came here she changed her tune. I don't know if it magically gets better once its here or if its all down to the way its used here, but no spam=no life...Dollar musubis at 711, imagine life without them
 
pipelineaudio said:
My wife and friends never understood how people in Hawaii could possibly eat spam. When she finally came here she changed her tune. I don't know if it magically gets better once its here or if its all down to the way its used here, but no spam=no life...Dollar musubis at 711, imagine life without them
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Heh. In the IDF (Israeli army) there was for decades a particular brand of spam (known as "Loof" -- a corruption of the British "[meat] loaf"). For decades people complained about it being horrible stuff.

Then the IDF brass tried to remove it from the army's menu... almost causing a general revolt. It's still on the menu as we speak.
 
Re: non-disclosure. There are certainly periods in which you can't say anything about the company/products prior to an IPO. There are US government pricing rules that require a company to be very careful about making it seem as if a lower price is available to the market. Neither of these may be the issue at hand, but they are examples of reasons to be careful about what you say for an upcoming product.

CT
 
NewtonTrino said:
So are you saying it's always a scam but don't say that because people will think you are crying wolf? Or do you know of some that actually aren't a scam?

In my experience amway is definitely a scam. Then again I got to take a look at their books because I wrote the software they ran their business on.
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In Amway's case, it often a bait and switch scheme. They pitch is to join Amway and they entice people by showing them mansions, jets and other luxuries, all allegedly paid for in cash. Then they claim you can also obtain these trappings if you will only buy their foolproof system materials. The unknowing prospect doesn't know that the mansions and jets are purchased with the income from the system materials. :eek:
 
Joecool said:
In Amway's case, it often a bait and switch scheme. They pitch is to join Amway and they entice people by showing them mansions, jets and other luxuries, all allegedly paid for in cash. Then they claim you can also obtain these trappings if you will only buy their foolproof system materials. The unknowing prospect doesn't know that the mansions and jets are purchased with the income from the system materials. :eek:
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Pretty much. There are long threads about this stuff on here already.

Speaking of which, did your business make any money this year Icerat?
 
MLM can work. It's just not as easy as some make it out to be. When you guys are in pre-launch, please pm me. I haven't done MLM in awhile but actually could make money at it, and if the product is that good in terms of price savings, it is likely worth taking a look at it.

The thing is MLM comes with it's own set of business problems that are peculiar to it and can make it hard. If you lack capital, it can be a real problem. I know, the advice is you can raise a ton of capital when it explodes initially, and that is true. But you will need a ton more to properly administer the company and any hints of cash-flow problems can turn into nasty rumors and lots of key distributors abandoning ship.

If you want to know the best reason to give someone in this case for not pursuing MLM, it could be their lack of capital. Sounds great as a means to raise capital but much harder than it seems when despite money coming in fast, the company needs a lot to properly grow. You can't miss payments and deadlines in MLM and maintain credibility, and it's very fast-moving.
 
NewtonTrino said:
Pretty much. There are long threads about this stuff on here already.

Speaking of which, did your business make any money this year Icerat?
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Icerat claims to have built a sizable Amway business "once upon a time" but the only verifiable evidence of his business proclivities shows he hit the 3% level in Amway. That's about a $10 bonus. Sorry, I"m too new to post the link to Amquix info. :D
 
NewtonTrino said:
Basically he also claimed in our last conversation that he was back into building mode. I think it's unlikely he's built anything though.
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I've been debating with his since about 2004 and he's often said I'm inactive but that's about to change or that he's back into building mode. Seems like all talk no action, which is why he's been accused of being a paid Amway PR guy,
 
Joecool said:
I've been debating with his since about 2004 and he's often said I'm inactive but that's about to change or that he's back into building mode. Seems like all talk no action, which is why he's been accused of being a paid Amway PR guy,
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I don't think that makes him a paid PR guy. It just makes him a true believer. This is the same crap you'll hear from many of the cultists who don't seem to realize that it's a scam.
 
MLM isn't illegal unless it is an illegal pyramid scheme. Amway used to be considered a legal pyramid scheme by some due to its low 2% sucess rate but that might have been changed since I read about it.
 
MNBrant said:
MLM isn't illegal unless it is an illegal pyramid scheme. Amway used to be considered a legal pyramid scheme by some due to its low 2% sucess rate but that might have been changed since I read about it.
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Actually, less than one half of one percent reach the "platinum level". formerly known as a direct distributor, and there has been documentation that those who reach that level end up with net losses when the business expenses are considered. Business expenses in Amway are often comprised of motvational cds, voicemail, books, website fees, functions/seminars and other related expenses such as gas money, etc etc.

While Amway remains apparently legal, the tools systems and tool hawkers have not been examined by any government regulatory agency.
 
icerat said:
modus operandi of spreading links to false and defamatory information.
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I would like our readers to note that the links I posted were not written by me, but other blog/forum authors who apparently have a history with icerat aka insider aka ibofightback, aka insider201283. :D

Maybe icerat would like to elaborate on what was false?
 
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