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Mitt Romney, liar.

R.Mackey said:
O RLY? :D

You might want to tell Bloomberg about it -- that obvious answer seems to have escaped their notice...

...sorry if that was sarcasm...
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It appears I could be wrong. I was basing it on my experience. I had an ESOP back in the early 90's that if I had waited a few years to go on to graduate school would have been worth quite a bit more than $6-30k a year (about 35x what I had to sell it for). The Bloomberg piece suggest that the value is $21m-100m, and that the max he could have contributed is $450k.

It would be interesting to see how it was possible for someone to work the system on this level. Based on the universal axiom of the modern U.S. tax code, "thems' what got gits" I suspect it was totally legal. I am not a Romney supporter, I just suspect that he has the accounting minds on his payroll to make the law work for him.

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Romney kept reins, bargained hard on severance

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...omney_kept_reins_bargained_hard_on_severance/

Shortly after Mitt Romney took a leave of absence from Bain Capital to run the Olympics in February 1999, he made a trip to Palm Beach, Fla. The firm Romney founded was meeting to celebrate its 15th anniversary as well as the men he had helped make extraordinarily wealthy.
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Romney and his partners had decided that, in his absence, five managing directors would oversee the company. And in Palm Beach it became clearer that Romney was unlikely to return — but would retain his title as chief executive officer and sole shareholder.

The Palm Beach meeting, which has not been previously reported, demonstrates the duality of Romney’s role as he parted ways with Bain, an issue that has sparked controversy in his presidential campaign. Romney has said in financial disclosure statements that he “was not involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way” after Feb. 11, 1999. But he was still legally the CEO, with numerous duties and obligations that were his alone, until early 2002.

Interviews with a half-dozen of Romney’s former partners and associates, as well as public records, show that he was not merely an absentee owner during this period. He signed dozens of company documents, including filings with regulators on a vast array of Bain’s investment entities. And he drove the complex negotiations over his own large severance package, a deal that was critical to the firm’s future without him, according to his former associates.

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mhaze said:
Right, and at issue wasn't whether he took such classes, but whether something like 9th grade religion would qualify as "Muslim Theology".
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No. . .

..the issue here is Mitt Romney's conflicting statements to the American people and the SEC about his role with Bain after 1999.

But your off topic claim that Obama took Muslim theology classes is indeed false.

ETA: My point is that your attempt to raise off topic subjects about Obama have no logical bearing on the subject of this thread.

I predict all these off topic posts will soon go to AAH unless you perhaps start a new thread on the subject of your claim that Obama took Muslim theology classes as a child (and that somehow this is a bad thing for a president to have done as a child) and request these posts be moved there. Otherwise, you're simply breaking the rules.
 
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JoeTheJuggler said:
Fair enough. But this is the way mhaze is trying to respond to the topic of contradictory statements made by Romney.

Again, returning to topic, Romney said that he "left any role" with Bain in 1999, but SEC filings (signed by Romney acting in the role of the CEO) says he was the CEO, President, and the guy in control of the company.

How does Obama's childhood education or the Fast and Furious scandal have any relevance or logical connection?
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It illustrates a selective usage of the release the records pitch. Selective to those not in your tribe.

And thus illustrates the pitch as just a partisian play. But we all knew that anyway.
 
mhaze said:
It illustrates a selective usage of the release the records pitch. Selective to those not in your tribe.
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Unlike the things you keep wanting to bring into the discussion, it has come to be regarded as standard practice for Presidential candidates -- regardless of party -- to release their tax returns. Romney seems to feel that he has a privileged status that somehow justifies selective usage of that accepted rule when applied to him.

And thus illustrates the pitch as just a partisian play. But we all knew that anyway.
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I'd be interested to hear what you would regard as a non-partisan approach to supporting the candidacy of a political party's nominee.
 
Dymanic said:
Unlike the things you keep wanting to bring into the discussion, it has come to be regarded as standard practice for Presidential candidates -- regardless of party -- to release their tax returns. Romney seems to feel that he has a privileged status that somehow justifies selective usage of that accepted rule when applied to him.

I'd be interested to hear what you would regard as a non-partisan approach to supporting the candidacy of a political party's nominee.
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Kind of reminds me of the pitches by various Democratic pundits for "civility" when and only if and only for so long as it suites their purposes.
 
mhaze said:
Kind of reminds me of the pitches by various Democratic pundits for "civility" when and only if and only for so long as it suites their purposes.
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Which makes civility a bad idea?
 
mhaze said:
Kind of reminds me of the pitches by various Democratic pundits for "civility" when and only if and only for so long as it suites their purposes.
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I view that as mostly longing for bygone days. Democrats seem to have been gradually coming to realize that in the current political climate, civility doesn't usually suit their purposes all that well. Sort of in the same sense that you don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight.
 
mhaze said:
It illustrates a selective usage of the release the records pitch. Selective to those not in your tribe.

And thus illustrates the pitch as just a partisian play. But we all knew that anyway.
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Let's ask our judges for a ruling. And...

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Oh, I'm sorry, wrong answer.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Let's ask our judges for a ruling. And...

<< BZZZZ >>

Oh, I'm sorry, wrong answer.
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And that's the problem. The judges in your own mind are....

well, let's just say they are frogs in a small corner of the universe, in a doghouse inside a closet, chained to a copy of Das Kapital, croaking mindlessly when they hear footsteps, and compulsively jumping three or four inches day and night, over and over.
 
Ok, the topic of this thread is Mitt Romney and the accusation that he has lied. It is NOT about President Obama and any lies he may or may not have been involved in. There is a thread for that elsewhere around these parts. If you cannot discuss Romney without invoking any evil that you think Obama may or may not have done, then just unplug the computer and go outside until the election is over because you'll be looking as infractions, suspensions and possible bannishment if you cannot control yourself.


UNDERSTAND?

Good.
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mhaze said:
It illustrates a selective usage of the release the records pitch. Selective to those not in your tribe.

And thus illustrates the pitch as just a partisian play. But we all knew that anyway.
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Yet again you fail to respond to the topic at hand. Romney said he "left any role" at Bain in 1999, yet SEC filings signed by Romney acting as CEO say in the clearest terms possible that Romney is the CEO, President and the guy in control of the company. (Remember, this all came up because Romney wanted to deny any responsibility for decisions by Bain to support a company that specialized in offshoring jobs.)

And you have no evidence of selective use of the call for presidential candidates to release their tax records because I'm not guilty of such a thing. So that'd be a false accusation on your part, and yet another attempt by you to avoid the actual issue of this thread.
 
Romney should come clean on taxes, Bain

http://thedailystar.com/opinion/x1289992356/Romney-should-come-clean-on-taxes-Bain/print

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Romney's timid circumlocution hasn't been nearly as persuasive as a robust, unapologetic defense of his role at Bain could have been. If Bain really shouldn't be ashamed of its record, why pass the buck to those Bain managers to whom he delegated his authority after 1999?

Equally unconvincing is Romney's insistence that there's nothing worth seeing in his pre-2010 tax returns. Romney faced intraparty criticism this week when Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch and pundits George Will and Bill Kristol argued that Romney's secrecy over his tax returns is more damaging than their contents.

Romney's campaign this week batted down speculation that his returns might reveal years in which he paid no taxes at all. But as statistician W. Edwards Deming once said: "In God we trust. All others must bring data."
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Mitt Romney: Lazy liar

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/22/mitt_romney_lazy_liar/singleton/

Throughout the election cycle, liberals have been shocked at just how “shameless,” as Kevin Drum put it this week, Mitt Romney’s campaign has been. It’s not just that Romney lies; it’s the quality of the lies, the indifference to any fact-checking, the insistence on continuing to use a lie long after it’s been definitively debunked.

I have a name for it, and an explanation. Call it lazy mendacity.

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LOL!
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Where is the Barack Obama, liar thread? He lies too, you know. Just ask RandFan.
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Obama hasn't made an art form out of it. Obama actually has principles that we can enumerate and demonstrate by past behavior. Romney? Well, you tell me, what are Romney's principles? Does anyone know?

Yeah Obama has lied. Hell, we ALL have lied. I would say that few people can even approach the level of the dissembling of Romney. Romney has had multiple positions on most if not all of the fundamental questions I can think of.

How many demonstrable principles does Romney have? Can you name some?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Where is the Barack Obama, liar thread? He lies too, you know. Just ask RandFan.
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BTW: I find this particularly dishonest. I've pointed out that Mitt has far more pants on fire and 5 Pinocchio ratings than just about any politician. And of course you ignore the facts and just continue with your meme. But then you did admit to being a troll.
 
Just wanted to let all and sundry know that Mitt has not yet renounced lying - he can't because it would be a lie.:D:D
 
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