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Missing Baby Crime Mystery in Missouri

William Parcher

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A ten-month-old baby girl is suddenly missing from her home. Parents say she has been abducted. No specific suspects or signs of forced entry. Mom says that three cellphones were missing from a countertop and theorizes that they were stolen to prevent a call to the police. Mother fails a polygraph. Police are saying that the parents have now stopped cooperating but the parents say they backed away because they just couldn't handle aggressive 11-hour interrogations and accusing the mother.

Jeremy Irwin, an electrician, says he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Deborah Bradley says she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m. and that when Lisa disappeared she was asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day. The parents say they discovered their front door unlocked, a window open and house lights blazing, lending credence to the theory that the baby may have been snatched by an intruder.


Mom of missing Missouri baby says police blamed her


The mother of a 10-month-old girl who went missing from their Kansas City home said police told her she failed a lie detector test and accused her of being involved in her baby's disappearance.

Deborah Bradley said Friday that police never showed her the results of the test and denied knowing anything about what happened to her daughter, Lisa Irwin. Bradley and the baby's father, Jeremy Irwin, say Lisa was abducted from her crib late Monday or early Tuesday.

"They said I failed (a polygraph test)," Bradley, 25, told the Associated Press. "And I continued to say that's not possible because I don't know where she's at and I did not do this."



Mother of missing Northland baby says police accused her


Friday morning, appearing on "Good Morning America" and the "Today" show, Lisa's parents said they had been upset Thursday by how they were treated during long interrogations.

"From the start, when they’ve questioned me, once I couldn’t fill in gaps, it turned into 'You did it, you did it,' " Bradley said. "They took a picture down from the table and said 'Look at your baby!' And 'Do what's right for her!' I kept saying 'I don’t know…' I just sat there.

"I didn't even ask to leave. I just let them keep asking questions."

Irwin said he told authorities Thursday that he needed a break from their questions.

"I told them I had to have a break — no more questions today," Irwin said. "I asked to be let go, and they let me go from (the) police station. An hour later was when we saw the press conference from them (saying that the parents had stopped cooperating)."
 
Most of the time, in these cases it turned out that parents killed their babies or children. It has become so common that I don´t blame the police in their actions. They are doing the right thing.
Yeah someone snatched the baby :rolleyes:
 
Most of the time, in these cases it turned out that parents killed their babies or children. It has become so common that I don´t blame the police in their actions. They are doing the right thing.
Yeah someone snatched the baby :rolleyes:

There was a man here in Illinois whose daughter and her friend were kidnapped and murdered. He did not do it, the DNA all over the crime scene and in the bodies was not his, but the police subjected him to third degree and sleep deprivation until they were able to get him to videotape a confession. He was jailed for first degree murder, and the only reason he got out was the Innocence Project and DNA testing. In that case, police never even considered (they admit this) that anybody other than the father might have done the crime. It is well known that enough coercion can get an innocent man to confess, but the legal system barely takes notice of it.

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2010...linois-police-forced-dads-confession/afiybil/
 
There was a man here in Illinois whose daughter and her friend were kidnapped and murdered. He did not do it, the DNA all over the crime scene and in the bodies was not his, but the police subjected him to third degree and sleep deprivation until they were able to get him to videotape a confession. He was jailed for first degree murder, and the only reason he got out was the Innocence Project and DNA testing. In that case, police never even considered (they admit this) that anybody other than the father might have done the crime. It is well known that enough coercion can get an innocent man to confess, but the legal system barely takes notice of it.

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2010...linois-police-forced-dads-confession/afiybil/

Yeah odd mistakes can happen, but MOST of the time, this sort of crimes on children are committed by parents or close relatives. So the police has all the elements to consider the parents as prime suspects. Besides how the baby disappeared is very weird.
 
She is 25, he is 28. The police are now looking through a landfill for the second time.
 

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Anyone claiming that the majority of child abduction claims are down to the parents* at least like to provide some stats to back this up?

* - Not talking about cases involving custody, where the adults are separated.
 
If you give a lie detector test to any mother that just lost a baby a few hours ago there's probably a good chance she will fail it, innocent or not.
 
Anyone claiming that the majority of child abduction claims are down to the parents* at least like to provide some stats to back this up?

* - Not talking about cases involving custody, where the adults are separated.

It isn't hard to look that kind of stuff up yourself, you know.

Here's something from the National Center For Missing and Exploited Children. (Second hit if you Google "child abduction statistics".)

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810#1
How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.


203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.

115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping.
(These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)
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[Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. "National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview" in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5.]

The "family abductions" are the non-custodial parents you mentioned. The "non-family abductions" are mostly acquaintances of the family or sometimes strangers with some established connection. The bulk of reported missing children are runaways, throwaways, or just lost kids.

So approximately 0.014% of all missing children reports and approximately 0.044% of actual abductions are the result of "Stranger Danger" kidnappings.

That makes it easy to understand why the cops would be willing to consider the possibility that a parent or someone connected to the family is responsible for an abduction. In the absence of any other compelling evidence the odds are overwhelming that it is.

Other stats can be nearly as ugly. Especially when you start isolating age groups. You can go from here and do a little research on your own now, but something to think about. Most of the children under five in the U.S. who are murdered are murdered by a parent. Nearly two thirds, and most of the remainder (almost another third) by a relative or friend of the family.

We don't like to think about it, because we want to be 'warm and fuzzy' about families, but the sad truth is that our children are far more likely to be harmed by someone they are close to than by a stranger.
 
Other stats can be nearly as ugly. Especially when you start isolating age groups. You can go from here and do a little research on your own now, but something to think about. Most of the children under five in the U.S. who are murdered are murdered by a parent. Nearly two thirds, and most of the remainder (almost another third) by a relative or friend of the family.

We don't like to think about it, because we want to be 'warm and fuzzy' about families, but the sad truth is that our children are far more likely to be harmed by someone they are close to than by a stranger.
I think the answer is obvious, we need to remove children from their families at birth and place them in the homes of complete strangers until they're 18, and we can eliminate 99% of child abductions!

:duck:
 
I think the answer is obvious, we need to remove children from their families at birth and place them in the homes of complete strangers until they're 18, and we can eliminate 99% of child abductions!

:duck:

I guess they should just lock up the parents right away: after all, they're over 99% certain to be guilty - surely that's beyond reasonable doubt.


I was responding to commandlinegamer's question. Nothing more.

I wasn't offering any opinion about appropriate response, either in general or specifically to this case.

What's your point?
 

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