Missile??

tmd2_1 said:
I came up with slightly different numbers, but they are close enough that I am not going to argue. We can both agree that there is some arbitrary numbers such as rounding to Mach 1, again nothing to be to concerned with.

What does bother me however is your starting point for missile fire. I would argue it is at least a second before it would have impacted the building. As seen in this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc4wsjKbYTQ&feature=related

But also I found a nice video of what this weapon can do. Truly amazing weapon. It's steel piercing ability is spectacular.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_1223582333


Now of what value would it be. I think we can agree that if you have a big enough hole in a wall, and then tried to punch through it it would be easier than no hole. Of course notice I said big enough, if it's to small it will make no difference. This of course could be calculated by the conspirators (if there was one).

Let me also add again this is only the concept I am talking about, I don't claim this exact weapon was used (or any weapon for that matter)
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Then why don't we see a missile impacting on the video? Your concerns aren't worth attention because there is no missile, just airplane.
 
jaydeehess said:
So it would have reached top speed a few hundred meters beyond the far wall of the tower? Sorry tmd I still fail to see how such a weapon would be used to 'ensure maximum penetration". Please elaborate on this. Yes I am asking how this, or something based on it, could be used since THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING!

HOW does this concept fit your idea that it could be used to ensure maximum penetration, which is something you "are sure the conspirators would have made sure hapened"?





Why is the shape of the flash significant? How much different from a circle would it have to be in order to not be suspicious? How would an O2 bottle explosion, or a violently destructed radar klystron, not produce a close to sperical explosion?
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Let me give you an example think of the plane as a pencil and the flash would be the hole the pencil makes as it punctures through a screen. One can not see the full circle (from a side) until the pencil is removed. The same would apply here. If you could zoom in and slow down the impact of the pencil into the screen you would see an almost half circle (I can't think of a better way to describe it, but I think you know what you would see) not the full circle.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Let me give you an example think of the plane as a pencil and the flash would be the hole the pencil makes as it punctures through a screen. One can not see the full circle (from a side) until the pencil is removed. The same would apply here. If you could zoom in and slow down the impact of the pencil into the screen you would see an almost half circle (I can't think of a better way to describe it, but I think you know what you would see) not the full circle.
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What would the point of this be? A large jet airplane already is already capable of penetrating a building. There's no need for a missile.
 
What I see is most likely an oxygen tank exploding. You said that this 100% impossible, but you never said why this is 100% impossible. So explain it to me.

The flash happens after impact, in the exact spot were the oxygen tank is located.

Do you think oxygen tanks can't explode ?

Do you think the flash is to big/small for an oxygen tank explosion ?

Do you think pure oxygen can't flash burn ?

Do you think the tank is located some were else on the plane.

In Truther world what do oxygen tanks do on impact ?
 
tmd2_1 said:
I came up with slightly different numbers, but they are close enough that I am not going to argue. We can both agree that there is some arbitrary numbers such as rounding to Mach 1, again nothing to be to concerned with.

What does bother me however is your starting point for missile fire. I would argue it is at least a second before it would have impacted the building. As seen in this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc4wsjKbYTQ&feature=related

But also I found a nice video of what this weapon can do. Truly amazing weapon. It's steel piercing ability is spectacular.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_1223582333


Now of what value would it be. I think we can agree that if you have a big enough hole in a wall, and then tried to punch through it it would be easier than no hole. Of course notice I said big enough, if it's to small it will make no difference. This of course could be calculated by the conspirators (if there was one).

Let me also add again this is only the concept I am talking about, I don't claim this exact weapon was used (or any weapon for that matter)
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I find the highlighted part hard to believe. Show us your calculations.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Let me also add again this is only the concept I am talking about, I don't claim this exact weapon was used (or any weapon for that matter)
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Why speculate about a possible purpose for the missile when the hi-res video clearly shows there was no missile?
 
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tmd2_1 said:
I came up with slightly different numbers, but they are close enough that I am not going to argue. We can both agree that there is some arbitrary numbers such as rounding to Mach 1, again nothing to be to concerned with.

What does bother me however is your starting point for missile fire. I would argue it is at least a second before it would have impacted the building. As seen in this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc4wsjKbYTQ&feature=related

But also I found a nice video of what this weapon can do. Truly amazing weapon. It's steel piercing ability is spectacular.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_1223582333


Now of what value would it be. I think we can agree that if you have a big enough hole in a wall, and then tried to punch through it it would be easier than no hole. Of course notice I said big enough, if it's to small it will make no difference. This of course could be calculated by the conspirators (if there was one).

Let me also add again this is only the concept I am talking about, I don't claim this exact weapon was used (or any weapon for that matter)
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Starstreak!? Really!?

Have you seen the size of the darts? They're 22 mm in diameter and less than 40 cm long. The amount of explosives in each dart is no more than 450 grams of explosive. What would three of these do to the towers that the following plane can't?

And if you say that they would have used something similar but larger. Look at the size difference between the darts and the entire Starstreak missile. Ending up with substantially larger subminutions will make the total missile so large it can't possibly be missed by anybody, including the launch signature. How would you connect such a missile to an airplane as used in 9/11 by the way?
 
erwinl said:
Starstreak!? Really!?

Have you seen the size of the darts? They're 22 mm in diameter and less than 40 cm long. The amount of explosives in each dart is no more than 450 grams of explosive. What would three of these do to the towers that the following plane can't?

And if you say that they would have used something similar but larger. Look at the size difference between the darts and the entire Starstreak missile. Ending up with substantially larger subminutions will make the total missile so large it can't possibly be missed by anybody, including the launch signature. How would you connect such a missile to an airplane as used in 9/11 by the way?
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The darts were aimed at the thermite charges.
 
The entire theory is ridiculous.

The plane had more than sufficient velocity and mass to penetrate the towers without help. A missile, no matter how you modify it, would not be able to arm itself in the split second that existed just prior to the nose of the plane striking the building. Any projectile-based weapon shares a similar issue. About the only thing that might possibly work are bullets, and it's pretty obvious from the hi-res video that there wasn't a machine gun mounted on the plane. Every aspect of this theory fails, tmd; WHY are you still even arguing it?
 
Sabrina said:
The entire theory is ridiculous.

The plane had more than sufficient velocity and mass to penetrate the towers without help. A missile, no matter how you modify it, would not be able to arm itself in the split second that existed just prior to the nose of the plane striking the building. Any projectile-based weapon shares a similar issue. About the only thing that might possibly work are bullets, and it's pretty obvious from the hi-res video that there wasn't a machine gun mounted on the plane. Every aspect of this theory fails, tmd; WHY are you still even arguing it?
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That is a mystery. My theory is that he is doing it for a bet.
 
I have my theory, too, but the membership agreement precludes my going into any detail.
 
How much different from a circle would it have to be in order to not be suspicious? How would an O2 bottle explosion, or a violently destructed radar klystron, not produce a close to sperical explosion?/HILITE]
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tmd2_1 said:
Let me give you an example think of the plane as a pencil and the flash would be the hole the pencil makes as it punctures through a screen. One can not see the full circle (from a side) until the pencil is removed. The same would apply here. If you could zoom in and slow down the impact of the pencil into the screen you would see an almost half circle (I can't think of a better way to describe it, but I think you know what you would see) not the full circle.
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You did read the post, right? You know where the O2 bottle is located, right?
 
tmd2_1 said:
I came up with slightly different numbers, but they are close enough that I am not going to argue. We can both agree that there is some arbitrary numbers such as rounding to Mach 1, again nothing to be to concerned with.

What does bother me however is your starting point for missile fire. I would argue it is at least a second before it would have impacted the building. As seen in this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc4wsjKbYTQ&feature=related
Yes yes, let me guess, the grainy long shot video. I'll ETA in a bit.

ETA, yep, and what do we see? a 'flash'? No, a blush of light colouring at the trailing edge of the wing. If it is real and I were to guess, I'd say its a vapour due to the extreme speed and the manouvering of the aircraft as it passed througha slightly more humid bit of air near the tower.

Of course you are going to argue that its a full second because you saw my numbers that showed a doubling of velocity and decided that was to your liking.


But also I found a nice video of what this weapon can do. Truly amazing weapon. It's steel piercing ability is spectacular.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_1223582333
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The missiles fly in formation about 1.5 meters from each other. That is going to garuntee that at least one will not even impact a perimeter column and thus you will not get this same effect. You could say that it would be reworked to have them fly in a tighter formation but now you will decrease(yes decrease) the effectiveness of the three warheads and will only cause damage to 1 column. Ok you say its one warhead to each of three columns. Now you have a very small warhead into a very large column and the problem of multiple laser targeting.

I also note that the warhead explodes inside the armoured vehicle. That's because all its kinetic energy needs to do is punch that 2 inch hole and then get the small amount of explosive inside to kill much softer targets, the crew. In the case of an aircraft a small hole and small explosion willsuffice to bring it down. This amount of damage to a perimeter column is negligible.


Now of what value would it be. I think we can agree that if you have a big enough hole in a wall, and then tried to punch through it it would be easier than no hole. Of course notice I said big enough, if it's to small it will make no difference. This of course could be calculated by the conspirators (if there was one).
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Yes and ONE column severed is going to make little difference. IIRC a couple of dozen perimeter columns were severed by the passing of the jet. We certainly did not see anything that would cause any damage to a significant percentage of that.
Let me also add again this is only the concept I am talking about, I don't claim this exact weapon was used (or any weapon for that matter)
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So far your 'concept' is nothing more than 'explosives used to create a hole in a column'. Your 'concept' is no more fleshed out or practicle than Ms. Wood's pet concept.
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Need I remind anyonethat the reactive armor on most main battle tanks so equipped protects the tank by setting off a small explosion between the tank and an incoming round just as the round is about to penetrate the tank? It slows and deflects solid shot and disrupts the jet of a shaped charge warhead.

It would have been stupid to fire a charge into the towers in front of the aircraft.
 
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