Missile??

[TJM]

All three are good questions, I've said throughout the post I don't have an easy answer to them. It would be logical to think that a projectile weapon would not do much damage, given the little time it had.

Well that's a start, anyway.

Not sure which type of weapon.

Here's a clue: It doesn't exist.

I can only give a general answer that perhaps some weapon can used to help with maximum penetration.

So 100 tons of aircraft needs help knocking a hole in a building? Really?

This whole thread is a question, one which no one was able to really answer, or I don't believe even give a likely scenario.

Yes, we have. As I said before, you don't like the answers.

 

[Sunstealer]

All three are good questions, I've said throughout the post I don't have an easy answer to them. It would be logical to think that a projectile weapon would not do much damage, given the little time it had. Not sure which type of weapon. I can only give a general answer that perhaps some weapon can used to help with maximum penetration. This whole thread is a question, one which no one was able to really answer, or I don't believe even give a likely scenario.

You don't have an answer to any question asked of you. Simples.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

No I'm talking about what's in front of the meteor. Based on what your saying that is what I would expect to see in the plane that is not the case.

A meteor encounters the atmosphere at mach 33 or more -- can be as high as mach 250. Bit of a difference. Drop a 767 into atmosphere at that velocity and it'll look just like that.

The flash only appears to be on the right side towards the lower portion of the fuselage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGrda2Jeqc

Your linked video makes great use of "it had to be" statements. Crappy unsupported logic.

Now I know what "right side" flash you're talking about. That's the reflection, from the fuselage, of whatever is happening at the surface of the tower.

It's a reflection of the big blink dot. That's all.

There would be no room for any kind of "missile" in the nose of the jet at that location anyway. The radar is in there, mounted to a bulkhead just a few feet behind the fiberglass nose. Behind that is all the avionics, cockpit, nose gear and a few other bits and bobs.

Not a missile. Just some kind of incandescent event, triggered by the compression shockwave encountering the building and/or weather radar arcing off the cladding.

If the "blink" was mostly incandescent it might not even have been visible to humans anyway -- cameras have greater sensitivity to IR, some more than others.

 

[waypastvne]

The first 2 drawings come from the Boeing web site and can be found in the
AIRPLANE RESCUE AND FIRE FIGHTING INFORMATION
767 SERIES FLAMMABLE MATERIAL LOCATIONS

Link:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/arff/arff767.pdf


This drawing gives the general location of the "CREW OXYGEN BOTTLE IN RIGHT SIDE, E & E COMPARTMENT"
E & E stands for electrical and equipment

The second drawing shows an X-ray view of the E&E compartment. Although it does not show the O2 tank,
it does give us a better idea of the size and location of the compartment in relation to the rest of the plane.
Note that the aft bulkhead of the nose wheel bay is also the fwd wall of the E&E compartment.

This is a photo of the E & E compartment. The O2 tank would be under the floor on the left hand side of the picture.
You can also see the external access door used to service the tank and battery.

An emergency O2 tank like the one on UA 175. It is pressurised to 1,800 psi with pure oxygen, not compressed air like scuba tanks.

The nose wheel undercarriage was located directly in front of of the E&E room and would have been the first major part of the plane to impact. When GPers say hollow aluminum can, they are neglecting things like this. On impact this undercarriage would decelerate wile the rest of the plane continued forward. So the under carriage smashed through the E&E room as well as knocking a large hole in the building. This is why the flash happens outside of the wall and gives the illusion of happening before impact.

A photo of N612 UA in its original colors. The O2 tank would be within the red circle.

An O2 tank explosion on a Qantas Boeing 747.

This composite photo was made by Achimspok it's a boeing 767 photo resized and over laid on a frame from the Spiegel TV video to give a clear view of the location of the flash.

This is the highest quality, best view video. The flash happens after the nose impacts the building.



The oxygen tank is the most likely explanation for the flash.

There was no "Missile"

 

[I Ratant]

2 compressor stalls, and an inflight bird strike.
Note the duration of each event....

 

[Dash80]

tmd2_1

Listen, a 100 ton airliner carrying 10,000 gallons of jet fuel and traveling over 500mph... IS MORE THAN ENOUGH to fully penetrate the building and cause fatal damage! There is absolutely no reason to use missiles or bombs or a even cherry flavor cream pie, this would be a completely POINTLESS risk to take.

I get it ok? You are so convinced it was an inside job you jump on anything to prove it. You see things that ARE NOT THERE because you're so desperate to justify your beliefs. Kind of like people who see religious images in a potato.

 

[tmd2_1]

The first 2 drawings come from the Boeing web site and can be found in the
AIRPLANE RESCUE AND FIRE FIGHTING INFORMATION
767 SERIES FLAMMABLE MATERIAL LOCATIONS

Link:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/arff/arff767.pdf


This drawing gives the general location of the "CREW OXYGEN BOTTLE IN RIGHT SIDE, E & E COMPARTMENT"
E & E stands for electrical and equipment

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/Screenshot2011-08-18at94210AM.png[/qimg]


The second drawing shows an X-ray view of the E&E compartment. Although it does not show the O2 tank,
it does give us a better idea of the size and location of the compartment in relation to the rest of the plane.
Note that the aft bulkhead of the nose wheel bay is also the fwd wall of the E&E compartment.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/Screenshot2011-08-18at94015AM.png[/qimg]


This is a photo of the E & E compartment. The O2 tank would be under the floor on the left hand side of the picture.
You can also see the external access door used to service the tank and battery.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/IMG_2481-1.jpg[/qimg]


An emergency O2 tank like the one on UA 175. It is pressurised to 1,800 psi with pure oxygen, not compressed air like scuba tanks.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/qantas2_ss_567530a.jpg[/qimg]


The nose wheel undercarriage was located directly in front of of the E&E room and would have been the first major part of the plane to impact. When GPers say hollow aluminum can, they are neglecting things like this. On impact this undercarriage would decelerate wile the rest of the plane continued forward. So the under carriage smashed through the E&E room as well as knocking a large hole in the building. This is why the flash happens outside of the wall and gives the illusion of happening before impact.


[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/TrenJupiter.jpg[/qimg]


A photo of N612 UA in its original colors. The O2 tank would be within the red circle.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/0188144copy-1.jpg[/qimg]


An O2 tank explosion on a Qantas Boeing 747.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/QantasExt1_gallery__533x400-600x400.jpg[/qimg]


This composite photo was made by Achimspok it's a boeing 767 photo resized and over laid on a frame from the Spiegel TV video to give a clear view of the location of the flash.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/flash_analysis_jpg_no_layers_readju.jpg[/qimg]


This is the highest quality, best view video. The flash happens after the nose impacts the building.



The oxygen tank is the most likely explanation for the flash.

There was no "Missile"

Flash was before impact...no doubt about it.

 

[tmd2_1]

You don't have an answer to any question asked of you. Simples.

I have answered a lot of questions. I do however admit when I don't know one.

 

[tmd2_1]

tmd2_1

Listen, a 100 ton airliner carrying 10,000 gallons of jet fuel and traveling over 500mph... IS MORE THAN ENOUGH to fully penetrate the building and cause fatal damage! There is absolutely no reason to use missiles or bombs or a even cherry flavor cream pie, this would be a completely POINTLESS risk to take.

I get it ok? You are so convinced it was an inside job you jump on anything to prove it. You see things that ARE NOT THERE because you're so desperate to justify your beliefs. Kind of like people who see religious images in a potato.

Perhaps...but we are still left with several unexplainable things. That "fire" at the back of the plain, and of course the flash before impact.

 

[Dash80]

Perhaps...but we are still left with several unexplainable things. That "fire" at the back of the plain, and of course the flash before impact.

You completely missed the point, well done.

 

[Sabrina]

Flash was before impact...no doubt about it.

Or, to put this another way...

"La la la la, I can't hear you despite the mountains of evidence you have presented that completely refutes my statement!"

Let me put this in a way that you might understand, tmd; IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE FLASH WAS BEFORE OR AFTER THE IMPACT, because in no plausible scenario does it make the slightest LICK of sense that a missile was fired literally one ten-thousandth of a second prior to a giant passenger jet flying into a building! Whatever the flash may have been; the coriolis effect, reflection, explosion of the oxygen tank on that side of the plane, a missile is about as far away from reality as you can get!

THERE WAS NO MISSILE. There are several perfectly acceptable explanations for the flash noted in the video that fit the scenario; a missile is not one of them.

 

[Drs_Res]

It was the launch of a Super Nano Therm*te paint ball. That's how they got it on the building steel.

 

[1337m4n]

Maybe a guy dropped a disco ball out of one of the windows of the WTC, coincidentally a mere instant before impact.

This theory is 500x more plausible than a missile.

 

[NoahFence]

All three are good questions, I've said throughout the post I don't have an easy answer to them. It would be logical to think that a projectile weapon would not do much damage, given the little time it had. Not sure which type of weapon. I can only give a general answer that perhaps some weapon can used to help with maximum penetration. This whole thread is a question, one which no one was able to really answer, or I don't believe even give a likely scenario.

Bull:

This whole thread is you JAQing off, incapable of rational thought. It's you mocking the deaths of 3,000 people with your incessant need to play the conspiracy card, where there is none.

 

[I Ratant]

You completely missed the point, well done.

.
They always will.

 

[NoahFence]

Flash was before impact...no doubt about it.

A reflection before impact
and
impact.

Two flashes.

Just stop it.

 

[Craig4]

Perhaps...but we are still left with several unexplainable things. That "fire" at the back of the plain, and of course the flash before impact.

One thing we don't have to worry about explaining is what impacted the buildings. Seeing as we're watching the the plane crash into the building the thing we don't see is a missile. So this one is solved. Whew.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Ok let's see.
-sun reflection between the rounded aluminum nose of the a/c and the windows of the structure.
Impossible this flash is seen from different angles. Also a similar flash is seen on the impact of the north tower. I'm going to make a wild assumption that the sun did not move that far in 15 minutes.
-impact destruction of the weather radar or other electronic equipment in the nose of the aircraft.
Impossible. The flash is clearly before impact.
See here at the 16 second mark. This video also has footage of the north tower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGrda2Jeqc
-static electrical discharge between the fast moving aluminum aircraft and the aluminum cladding of the tower
Close to impossible, because it would be arched from the planes fuselage to the building itself. It would not be a round bright orange flash and would most likely not be seen in daylight.

So then we're still left with not knowing what it is. Not even having a likely scenario.

If you watch the videos on the original post, you will see there is more evidence than just one flash. You have in the first video, what appears to be a flame coming from the back of the plane. In the second video, when they do the close of zoom of impact. You have something that appears to be traveling along side the A/C, and than impact the building right before the plane.

I think we can agree that if it was a conspiracy, they would want as little plane parts as possible to fall to the ground. The only way to do that is to ensure maximum penetration. I've said previously that it would seem a regular missile does not appear to have enough time to do any damage. But I don't pretend to know every weapon there is, perhaps there is something that would.

I've never said I believe in the slight of hand disappearance at the pentagon. Only that a flyover is a theory that is out there.

As far as Lloyde goes, here is a quote. Lloyde: "We came across the highway together." Interviewer: "You and their event, so it must have been planned then?" Lloyde: "It was planned" But I'm sure he meant OBL and KSM were riding in his cab right? That's really the extent some of you guys go.


Here is the whole video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho



Whatever you want to say about my posts, they seem to have gotten your attention now haven't they?

However, our posts don't seem to have your attention. I explained the nose flash several pages ago.

Try to read the replies, OK?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Flash was before impact...no doubt about it.

I told you what it is: Shock-wave compression created condensation. Don't you realize what happens as the air tries to escape from a large object at that speed? Normally, the shock-wave travels ahead of the plane and disperses, but here, suddenly, there was a wall in the way.

Hans

 

[tmd2_1]

However, our posts don't seem to have your attention. I explained the nose flash several pages ago.

Try to read the replies, OK?

Hans

I told you what it is: Shock-wave compression created condensation. Don't you realize what happens as the air tries to escape from a large object at that speed? Normally, the shock-wave travels ahead of the plane and disperses, but here, suddenly, there was a wall in the way.

Hans

Yes I addressed this in another post. Someone said it is similar to falling space debris. But I said even if I accept what you are stating as fact, I would expect the behavior to be like that of a meteor. A more encompassing glow, more or less equal in all directions. With the planes the flash is to the bottom right of the fuselage only.