Missile fragment hits WTC 1

[MaGZ]

What is the range on these missiles? How could they be close enough to fire and not hit if they could be there in seconds? Where did the fighters come from? Were the fighters travelling above Mach 1? If so, who heard the sonic boom and where? Why did they not report this?

Perhaps gumboot could answer some of these questions. The fighters came from Otis Air National Guard Base. Here is the link about the air traffic controller saying the fighters were over NYC moments (seconds) after the crash of flight 175 which contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report.

(see page 5)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

The pilots are part of a cover-up which someday will be exposed by the national media.

 

[Mancman]

BBC reporter Steve Evans was in the lobby of WTC 2 when the second plane hit. He went outside and experienced another explosion which was the missile hitting WTC 7. Then he hears a series of secondary explosions which were cars on Vesey Street exploding from the shrapnel of the missile that struck WTC 7.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69b.html


The evidence is overwhelming.

The Missiles at Ground Zero
http://missilesatgroundzero.blogspot.com/

Here is Steven Evans talking just before WTC1 collapses:


It's quite obvious that the 'explosions' are the plane crashes and collapses. Get some help.

 

[MaGZ]

Here is Steven Evans talking just before WTC1 collapses:


It's quite obvious that the 'explosions' are the plane crashes and collapses. Get some help.

It would be nice if we could see the entire interview of Steven Evans and not just the edited version provided by the BBC.

 

[azazal]

Perhaps gumboot could answer some of these questions. The fighters came from Otis Air National Guard Base. Here is the link about the air traffic controller saying the fighters were over NYC moments (seconds) after the crash of flight 175 which contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report.

(see page 5)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

The pilots are part of a cover-up which someday will be exposed by the national media.

You mean

Bob Varcapade: I rememember the two F-15’s. They were moments after the impact. And I was just said to myself, “If they only could’ve gotten there a couple minutes earlier. They just missed it.”

moments gives no time frame and in the same quote he says if only they had been a couple of minutes earlier. Hmmm sounds like they were still some ways out to me.

 

[MaGZ]

You mean

moments gives no time frame and in the same quote he says if only they had been a couple of minutes earlier. Hmmm sounds like they were still some ways out to me.

No, moments still means seconds. Bob Varcapade was saying that if the fighters were in the area minutes earlier then they could have protected the city from the impact of the second plane.

Anyway, it still proves the 9/11 report is lying about the arrival of the fighters.

See page 20 bottom paragraph.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Why am I finding it difficult to believe that an Air Force pilot who's trained to shoot down small fighter planes making evasive manuevers would be unable to hit a large airliner flying in a straight line.

 

[Disbelief]

Perhaps gumboot could answer some of these questions. The fighters came from Otis Air National Guard Base. Here is the link about the air traffic controller saying the fighters were over NYC moments (seconds) after the crash of flight 175 which contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report.

(see page 5)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

The pilots are part of a cover-up which someday will be exposed by the national media.

It's your story, so you should be able to answer the questions.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

No, moments still means seconds. Bob Varcapade was saying that if the fighters were in the area minutes earlier then they could have protected the city from the impact of the second plane.

So "minutes" also means "seconds"?

 

[azazal]

No, moments still means seconds.

Semantics, I know people that use moment the same as they use the word minute - "I'll be there in a moment." "I'll be there in a minute." Both are interchangeable and more often then not, it's 5 minutes.

*typo edit

 

[Horatius]

We have the suppressed video of a WNYW Fox 5 cameraman who filmed the crash of a missile into WTC 7 on the 14th floor which someday will be found and released.

Interesting use of the word "have" here. How is it you "have" a suppressed video that may be found and released "someday"?

Do you subscribe to the same video service as ChristopherA?

 

[Belz...]

The fighters were not over NYC at the time of the crash of Flight 175 into WTC 2. They were close enough to fire at the hijacked plane but not close enough to hit it.

How can they be close enough to fire but not to hit ? Why would they fire if this were true ?

A flight controller at Newark said the planes were over NYC "moments"–meaning seconds–after the crash of Flight 175.

A moment is a purposely vague unit of time, MaGZ.

The missile in the picture which appears to fly above WTC 7 does present a problem.

I'm sorry. I think THIS is what you meant to say:

What which appears to be a missile in the picture flies above WTC 7, which present a problem.

It appears to come from behind WTC 1 and is at an elevation and direction where it flies above WTC 7. The only possible answer I have at this time is to suggest this is a third missile that perhaps flew into the Hudson River.

And in typical CT manner, you ADD more missiles to compensate for the fact that the evidence doesn't support your theory. 7 WTC is NOT on fire on ANY picture BEFORE the collapse of 1 WTC.

There were witnesses to missiles flying at 9:03. Just look at the log of emergency 911 calls that came in after the crash of the second plane.

Those are called DEBRIS.

We have the suppressed video

We have a suppressed video ? How is that not contradictory ?

Also we have the evidence of the damage done to WTC 1 on the east side of the building by a missile fragment. (see "Inside 9/11") This missile also set cars on fire in front of WTC 7 on Vesey Street and injured a number of people.

Are you sure it's not JFK's magic bullet ?

The evidence is overwhelming.

Since when does "overwhelming" mean "unconvincing" ?

 

[Whiplash]

Are you forgetting those numerous posts in which it was demonstrated to you that this "missile" is a bird, MaGZ? It flaps!

Bumped for MagZ.. It's obvious he thinks that just ignoring things make them go away or become illegitimate.

 

[gumboot]

Perhaps gumboot could answer some of these questions. The fighters came from Otis Air National Guard Base. Here is the link about the air traffic controller saying the fighters were over NYC moments (seconds) after the crash of flight 175 which contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report.

(see page 5)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

The pilots are part of a cover-up which someday will be exposed by the national media.

The fighters from Otis didn't appear over Manhattan at all, and you know this because I've already explained it to you.

They were sent to a Z-point north of Manhattan:

08:44:59
FOX: M.C.C. [Mission Crew Commander], I don’t know where I’m scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination—
NASYPANY: O.K., I’m gonna give you the Z point [coordinate]. It’s just north of—New York City.
FOX: I got this lat long, 41-15, 74-36, or 73-46.
NASYPANY: Head ‘em in that direction.
FOX: Copy that.

At 0907 EDT the fighters arrived off the coast of Long Island and the FAA directed them to enter a holding pattern over the sea - scared that if they brought the fighters into the tightly packed airspace of New York there would be a collision between the fighters and an airliner.

The time-stamped NEADS recording captures NORAD's displeasure with this decision:

09:07:20
NASYPANY: Okay, Foxy. Plug in. I want to make sure this is on tape.… This is what—this is what I foresee that we probably need to do. We need to talk to F.A.A. We need to tell ‘em if this stuff’s gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters on and then put ‘em over Manhattan, O.K.? That’s the best thing. That’s the best play right now. So, coordinate with the F.A.A. Tell ‘em if there’s more out there, which we don’t know, let’s get ‘em over Manhattan. At least we got some kinda play.

14 minutes later NEADS are (incorrectly) informed that AA11 is still airbourne and heading for Washington DC. Nasypany takes the two F-15s and heads them after the phantom aircraft, away from New York.

As far as I am aware the F-15s from Otis never actually flew over Manhattan at any point in the attack.

-Gumboot

 

[MaGZ]

The fighters from Otis didn't appear over Manhattan at all, and you know this because I've already explained it to you.

They were sent to a Z-point north of Manhattan:



At 0907 EDT the fighters arrived off the coast of Long Island and the FAA directed them to enter a holding pattern over the sea - scared that if they brought the fighters into the tightly packed airspace of New York there would be a collision between the fighters and an airliner.

The time-stamped NEADS recording captures NORAD's displeasure with this decision:



14 minutes later NEADS are (incorrectly) informed that AA11 is still airbourne and heading for Washington DC. Nasypany takes the two F-15s and heads them after the phantom aircraft, away from New York.

As far as I am aware the F-15s from Otis never actually flew over Manhattan at any point in the attack.

-Gumboot

Gumboot,
I think it is pretty clear Z point (north of Manhattan) was the latest location of Flight 11. That was were they were sending the fighters to intercept the plane. Once it was learned another plane was hijacked heeding toward NYC then it seems reasonable the fighters would attempt to intercept Flight 175.

 

[A W Smith]

Gumboot,
I think it is pretty clear Z point (north of Manhattan) was the latest location of Flight 11. That was were they were sending the fighters to intercept the plane. Once it was learned another plane was hijacked heeding toward NYC then it seems reasonable the fighters would attempt to intercept Flight 175.

If that were the case they would have been heading towards central NJ or staten island not Manhattan.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Gumboot,
I think it is pretty clear Z point (north of Manhattan) was the latest location of Flight 11.

As I understand it, a Z Point is merely a holding area. They had to send them somewhere while they tried to figure where the fighters really needed to be. gumboot will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[MaGZ]

Bumped for MagZ.. It's obvious he thinks that just ignoring things make them go away or become illegitimate.

Look at the video in real time. Much too fast to be a bird.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cpw4FZcfiqM

 

[stateofgrace]

MaGZ, nobody believes you.

Even the guys at LCF don't believe you.

Do you believe a missle was shot at wtc 7 and thats why it collapsed

yes[ 2 ]

[4.65%]
no[ 41 ]

[95.35%]
other ( explain)[ 0 ]

[0.00%]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7390

Give it up.

 

[Dog Town]

Look at the video in real time. Much too fast to be a bird.

Unless someone designed a missile that flaps it's wings, it is exactly the speed of a bird. How fast can birds fly?

 

[A W Smith]

Look at the video in real time. Much too fast to be a bird.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cpw4FZcfiqM

It is fast because it is closer to the camera lens. Take your hand and quickly pass it in front of a video camera lens. Your saying it cannot be a hand because it is too much faster than the background? Foolish and intellectually dishonest. You have been warned that if you keep posting this nonsence you will be suspended. take it to heed.