Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

[Slowvehicle]

I know you've told me before you don't think the shroud is a fake but a medieval device however, have you read this link?:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/turin_shroud_still_a_fake/

It says it's a fake with all four letters.

Why has no one shared this with the thread?

 

[MRC_Hans]

- Whatever, it appears that something was done to the sample that did not obviously affect the continued banding

Or, nothing was done to the sample, right? Do you agree that this would also explain the observation?

- A suggestion offered by John Klotz, author of The Coming of the Quantum Christ: If the goal of those that repaired the corner was an invisible repair that they would per force have replicated the banding where necessary.

False. Even if the goal was to make an invisible repair, there is no reason to assume that they could have achieved that goal. Even today, we know of no method to make an invisible repair, so why would you assume that 13th century artisans were able to do it? (And why would they even try?)

The obvious conclusion is that since no repair is detectable at the sampling site, none exists.

Hans

 

[zooterkin]

it appears that something was done to the sample that did not obviously affect the continued banding

It appears? Based on what, exactly?

 

[Belz...]

You have penetrated the Inner Teachings...

<<< LEVEL UP >>>

 

[Slowvehicle]

It appears? Based on what, exactly?

Why, upon perfervid imaginings, of course.

 

[Slowvehicle]

<<< LEVEL UP >>>

All your XP are belong to us...

 

[Craig4]

I'm kind of at a loss as to why Jabba thinks things are progressing when he only makes one or two posts a day and most of those are to tell us he needs to look things up.

 

[catsmate]

If the patch is invisible and undetectable, then the C14 testing on it should return the same date as the rest of the shroud.

Because such a repair would have to be done with original material? We discussed that once or twice.

 

[Belz...]

Because such a repair would have to be done with original material? We discussed that once or twice.

Exactly. If it ain't from the very same material, it ain't invisible.

 

[John Jones]

So I guess he hasn't found a champion from Shroudstory.com to ride to his assistance.

I was trying to think of a Hall of Shame list of Jabba's worst arguments that any potential Sir Lancelot would find interesting before commiting.

ETA:

- That any re-weave/patch would be undetectable if made from other threads of the same cloth, but would yield a falsely more-recent date.

- That the Sudarium of Oviedo authenticates the Shroud, even though it's not old enough to be authentic either.

- That all ¹⁴C scientists are incompetent or liars, while all the STURP team except Walter McCrone were virtuous pursuers of scientific facts.

- That the Roman Catholic church conspired to make the Shroud look inauthentic by providing known 'bad' samples to the ¹⁴C scientists.

- That banding only visible under x-ray fluorescence or UV light could be replicated in patches/reweaves made in the middle ages.

- Not to worry, I'll be back.

 

[aleCcowaN]

So I guess he hasn't found a champion from Shroudstory.com to ride to his assistance.

It's not easy to replicate Jabba.

 

[ferd burfle]

Chickens are dinosaurs.

A chicken is a fast cabbage.

 

[Monza]

So I guess he hasn't found a champion from Shroudstory.com to ride to his assistance.

I was trying to think of a Hall of Shame list of Jabba's worst arguments that any potential Sir Lancelot would find interesting before commiting.

ETA:

- That any re-weave/patch would be undetectable if made from other threads of the same cloth, but would yield a falsely more-recent date.

- That the Sudarium of Oviedo authenticates the Shroud, even though it's not old enough to be authentic either.

- That all ¹⁴C scientists are incompetent or liars, while all the STURP team except Walter McCrone were virtuous pursuers of scientific facts.

- That the Roman Catholic church conspired to make the Shroud look inauthentic by providing known 'bad' samples to the ¹⁴C scientists.

- That banding only visible under x-ray fluorescence or UV light could be replicated in patches/reweaves made in the middle ages.

- Not to worry, I'll be back.

- Ray Rogers using fibers from broken chain-of-custody provenance to perform an unproven age test in his kitchen is preferable to three independent labs performing a well-proven and highly documented test because the Archbishop (?) of Turin wasn't videotaped sealing the sample bags.

 

[PizzaTheHutt]

Stop beating the bush. The shroud is magical: it patches itself like Connor McLeod.

After 3+ threads at an agonizingly sloth-like pace, this "debate" could sure use a good quickening.

 

[Belz...]

The shroud is from Zeist?

 

[Kid Eager]

Chickens are dinosaurs.

And some dinosaurs looked like giant chicken.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zn1_e6Zhaic/UogzIZJINGI/AAAAAAAAGZQ/UMoDDEW8ciI/s1600/T+rex+feather+1.jpg

A chicken is a fast cabbage.

Thank you for your responses, as shallow as they are.

Before I go to to topic 1.1.2, a pause and a confirmation is necessary to limit the extent of tervigisitatuionamabob.

Is it agreed that chickens as a concept exist in the minds of humans?

 

[Belz...]

Can you weave a patch of invisible chickens?

I'm confused about the topic now.

 

[catsmate]

Exactly. If it ain't from the very same material, it ain't invisible.

And such a repair would still be obvious to textile experts using microscopy, as happened before the sampling. It's be even more obvious when the backing was removed.

A chicken is a fast cabbage.

But tastes better.

 

[Kid Eager]

Can you weave a patch of invisible chickens?

I'm confused about the topic now.

Carefully, to the sound of one hand clapping as a tree falls in a forest with nobody around.

If the right colored raffia is used, all is potato.

Now that we all agree with 1.1.2, we can at last make progress.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Carefully, to the sound of one hand clapping as a tree falls in a forest with nobody around.

If the right colored raffia is used, all is potato.

Now that we all agree with 1.1.2, we can at last make progress.

*ahem*

"poTAHto"