Craig4
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Comedy gold?
Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image
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Comedy gold?
Belz...
Fiend God
And never do you actually address them.
I guess that explains why you keep putting forward 'evidence' that has been comprehensively dismantled.
Is there any reason why we should respond to your posts at all, if you're not even going read those from your currently favoured poster?
Filippo Lippi
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Somewhere, Jabba is pointing at this thread and shouting, "LOOK HOW CONTROVERSIAL IT IS!"
On the upside, at least he's given up lying about mental frailties, that was particularly obnoxious.
On the upside, at least he's given up lying about mental frailties, that was particularly obnoxious.
Jabba
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Discussion Format
- I'll try to deal with both of your Q/Cs here.
- If someone wants me to read their posts, they shouldn't start off with an insult.
- If I respond at all, I'll only deal with the insult.
- Unfortunately, you started off with an insult in this post -- you implied that I was either stupid or deliberately 'screwing with' you guys. I suspect that I'm not stupid -- and, I know that I'm not screwing with you guys. Do you really believe that I am either stupid or just screwing with you guys?
- In this particular case, I simply do not believe that my evidence has been comprehensively dismantled...
- I do sort of scan through the different posts, looking for ones I can respond to quickly.
- I also look for issues that I haven't tried to deal with already.
- And finally, if someone poses only one Q/C -- and, it isn't insulting -- I'll give it extra consideration.
- Actually, you're pretty good re that latter -- and, notice that I do respond to you fairly often...
- Would you consider being my "favoured poster" for awhile?
- Note that you guys keep claiming that my debate strategy doesn't work -- even though you don't let me implement it. Whoever has taken the lead hasn't played by my rules...
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Zoo,
- I'll try to deal with both of your Q/Cs here.
- If someone wants me to read their posts, they shouldn't start off with an insult.
- If I respond at all, I'll only deal with the insult.
- Unfortunately, you started off with an insult in this post -- you implied that I was either stupid or deliberately 'screwing with' you guys. I suspect that I'm not stupid -- and, I know that I'm not screwing with you guys. Do you really believe that I am either stupid or just screwing with you guys?
- In this particular case, I simply do not believe that my evidence has been comprehensively dismantled...
- I do sort of scan through the different posts, looking for ones I can respond to quickly.
- I also look for issues that I haven't tried to deal with already.
- And finally, if someone poses only one Q/C -- and, it isn't insulting -- I'll give it extra consideration.
- Actually, you're pretty good re that latter -- and, notice that I do respond to you fairly often...
- Would you consider being my "favoured poster" for awhile?
- Note that you guys keep claiming that my debate strategy doesn't work -- even though you don't let me implement it. Whoever has taken the lead hasn't played by my rules...
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Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
Why should we abandon the scientific method in favor of your rules? You have claims, support them with evidence.
ETA: Zooterkin didn't insult you. You do keep posting evidence that has been refuted. You say it hasn't but you don't explain why.
ETA: Zooterkin didn't insult you. You do keep posting evidence that has been refuted. You say it hasn't but you don't explain why.
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Slowvehicle
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Good morning, Mr. Savage:
Suppose you read, and respond to, this:
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/turin_shroud_still_a_fake/
(If one is insulted by a simple description of one's documented behaviour, one ought to examine one's behaviour...)
MRC_Hans
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Mashuna
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Several posters have bent over backwards to try to play by your rules.
John Jones
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Yes
Your strongly held emotional belief notwithstanding, your arguments have repeatedly been demonstrated as wrong, illogical, irrelevant, and/or dishonest.
Tell that to Loss Leader, SezMe, MRC Hans, and anybody else who decided to play your silly little game.
Filippo Lippi
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This is a lie. When people have doggedly followed your every whim with regard to debate you, Jabba, have deliberately sabotaged the conversation.
It was not an insult. You said
That seems to me an explanation for why you don't apparently see the posts pointing out the problems with the 'evidence' you put forward. I fail to see how that is remotely insulting.
Then you have failed to read and understand what has been said.
At what point do you take time to investigate the various detailed explanations that people have taken the time to write, pointing out the numerous errors of fact and logic you have made, and continue to repeat?
Not in a million years.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
Jabba, if you could support your position you would not need your special debating method. You are just hiding behind process.
Belz...
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Ahah! I read Zooterkin's post thinking "That's only ONE question!", forgetting that you always find a way to avoid the argument.
Or with anything you don't want to address, in fact.
Of course. Why would you deal with the substance? That's hard!
If you had made any effort in these last few years to communicate and debate honestly, you'd be given the benefit of the doubt. You're the architect of your own problems, here.
Based on faith, no doubt. I wonder if we could do a C14 dating on that.
Of course, since you're ignoring the dismantling on insulting grounds. More than one question, insults, more than one person asking you, need more time, I'll be back, etc. You're the least effective poster I've ever seen.
Of course. Responding to the more complex stuff is hard.
You don't get to control the debate, Jabba, and you're way past any point where anyone would believe that, if we'd just comply, you'd address the evidence.
Mashuna
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Clearly, if the test results had come back with a 2000 year-old age for the cloth, C14 testing would have been shown to be accurate. It's only because Jabba already knows the date of the cloth that he's been able to show up the flaws in C14 testing. Or something.
Jabba
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Carbon Dating Doubts/Emotionality
- Thank you.
- The purpose was to try to determine the age of the linen making up the shroud.
Monza,
- Thank you.
- The purpose was to try to determine the age of the linen making up the shroud.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
Then what is your objection? The test used linen from the Shroud.
Belz...
Fiend God
Was it? I thought the purpose was to avoid admitting that it's not authentic.
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