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Miracle Mineral Supplement

dudalb said:
Stuff like this is why at times I wish I did believe in Hell so that the people who exploit cancer patients to sell useless crap will go to the hottest part of it.
And this means you in particular, Kevin Trudeau.
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Amen to that!

SteveGrenard said:
Talk about killing people, check this one out:

http://ivymed.us/venom-x/index.html

There is only one treatment, worldwide, approved for snakebite envenomation and that's antivenom. Many ethnic remedies abound but these mostly occur in India, Africa and
China where antivenom isn't always available. Now along comes what appears to be a
U.S. company with some miracle stuff that claims to cure snakebite.
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Marvellous. Don't you have laws against this stuff?
 
Marvellous. Don't you have laws against this stuff?
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Yes but the laws are complicated, politicians not withstanding. Remedies that predate such laws or which consist of so-called "natural" or "food" supplements are often give a pass. Making outrageous unproven claims for them are not legal but promoters have ways around making claims by using testimony of others or garnering P.R. outside of the direct marketing of the product. In the case of this snakebite cure I can say it has been referred to the appropriate authorities but it remains to be seen what can be done about it. I have since learned that this product is powdered detergent which is supposed to be stuffed into the snakebite fang tracks (with a toothpick) where it is alleged to clean up or denature the proteinacious toxins in the venom. I would like to see the studies on this but I fear they just don't exist. Until now this is one snakebite cure I have never heard of but I have heard about a lot of them. During prohibition whiskey was the favorite treatment for snakebite and every Friday night doctor's offices were filled with snakebite victims waiting for prescriptions for medicinal alcohol.

In the meantime I hope not too many genuine snakebite victims suffer or die by shunning antivenom in favor of this stuff.

With snakebite it is even possible that the testimonial evidence is "legit" because a lot of
snakebites are dry bites (no venom injected) or are made by non-venomous snakes mistaken for venomous ones. So anything will work on a snakebite like these since there is no problem to begin with.
 
That makes sense, detergent gets dishes squeaky clean, do they make the same claim for your flesh?

At least stuff like that would be strictly illegal here - our rules are loose, but not that loose.
 
The Atheist said:
Just so you know, Old Bob is a contrarian or troll who says he believes in all sorts of things.

I second Cavemonster's hope that Bob's pal has a real doctor.
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I have concluded, sadly, that he actually believes things he posts.
 
People who take advantage of the sick, dying and grieving - be they the snake oil salesmen or the "psychics" who claim to speak to your loved ones from "beyond the grave" -- those are just the lowest of the low, in my opinion. The scum of the earth.
 
For all the annoying dross....once in a while a gem is found....:con2: go figure....
Boy with baffling illness so rare it does not have a name is cured by his PARENTS


By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:14 PM on 09th February 2009


The dedicated parents of an eight-year-old boy with a devastating blood disorder have amazed doctors by finding a cure for him after refusing to give up hope.
Reuben Grainger-Mead’s illness, which doctors said was like living with a ‘permanent hangover’, was so rare that it still does not have a name.
But after parents Peter Mead and Michelle Grainger-Mead began a process of painstaking research they found ordinary dietary protein supplements relieved his condition.

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Breakthrough: Reuben Grainger-Mead and parents Michell and Peter

And medics now believe the amino acid treatment could also be a breakthrough for sufferers of cancer and other diseases and have launched an official study.
Reuben’s heartening story mirrors that of Lorenzo Odone, who was the inspiration for the film Lorenzo’s Oil, starring Nick Nolte and Susan Sarandon.
Despite being given just two years to live at age six, he survived until he was 30 after his parents Augusto and Michaela discovered a treatment, which took the form of a dietary supplement involving olive oil.
Before being successfully treated Reuben, from Gomersal, West Yorkshire, had required painful monthly transfusions because his red blood cell count was so low.
Doctors believe his condition is unique, but said it is similar to Diamond Blackfan Anaemia (DBA) - but some of his symptoms were very different.
As he was growing up, he had a low immune system so he constantly fell ill and suffered from ailments like eczema and asthma.
He was weak and struggled to speak, his growth was stunted and he was also 18 months behind other children with his all-round development.
His heart had to work much harder, giving him a fast heartbeat - three or four times quicker than normal - leaving him vulnerable to heart attacks.
When Reuben was examined at the age of two, doctors compared his condition to living with a ‘permanent hangover’.
And after countless tests, his parents were given the shattering news that doctors were powerless to help their son.
But Mr Mead, 45, and Mrs Grainger-Mead, 39, scoured the Internet for years looking for alternative therapies, and considered acupuncture and Oriental therapy, before turning to nutritional consultant Diana Wright.

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Inspiration: The film Lorenzo's Oil, starring Susan Sarandon and Nick Nolte

Mrs Wright discovered Reuben lacked certain vital amino acids, proteins, in his body, so he was put on a course of dietary supplements which were mixed into his food and drink, with incredible success.
He is now a normal, healthy eight-year-old who loves playing with pals and riding his bike. He is even catching up to his friends in height.
At his last blood count, he had an above average number of red blood cells.
The youngster, who had 25 one-pint blood transfusions while ill, has not needed one for three years thanks to his regime.
Mrs Grainger-Mead, a teacher, said: ‘We are dumbfounded at how successful it has been.
‘We did live in hope but always had the doubt as all the medics were saying there was nothing else we could do.’
Before finding the treatment, Reuben’s parents feared he would die prematurely.
Mr Mead, a supply chain manager, said: ‘The stark reality was that Reuben needed a blood transfusion every month to increase his red blood cell count, which would mean constant care throughout his whole life and so much time spent in hospital.
‘The last resort would then have been a bone marrow transplant, which doctors said he may not have survived because he was so ill.’
The astonishing success of Reuben’s treatment has led to doctors planning a study to see if similar therapy works on other ill children and adults.
It was partly funded with £70,000 raised by his parents.
Dr Jose Delafuente, an eminent haematologist at Imperial College, London, who is running the research, said: ‘Reuben has been given amino acids as part of a diet of supplements and this seems to have a positive effect on him.
‘They seem to be helping his cells grow normally and as a result he is starting to grow properly.
‘There are about 100 children suffering from DBA in the UK, and one of the features of this condition is that they have a great risk of developing cancer, particularly leukaemia and bone cancer but also many other cancers.
‘This is because of a protein defect in the blood.
‘There is early evidence that using amino acids may overcome this problem with the protein, and ultimately we hope the risk of DBA sufferers developing cancer will be abolished.
‘So we may learn lessons from this which help in the fight against cancer.
‘DBA sufferers have a life expectancy of around 40 so this is highly important research.’
Reuben takes a daily cocktail of six protein supplements, involving powder and tablets, with meals and drinks. It costs around £10,000 a year.
Nutritional consultant Mrs Wright, who works at The Orchard Clinic for Complementary Medicine in Amersham, Buckinghamshire, said: ‘In May 2004 we discovered Reuben lacked two amino acids called leucine and isoluceine, so we started him on a series of dietary supplements, checking his blood levels every three months.
‘In other words you are giving the body the tools to fix a problem.’
Mrs Grainger-Smith added: ‘It’s amazing that we have been so successful and we would be so proud we have contributed to this groundbreaking research which could potentially help so many people.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...illness-rare-does-cured-PARENTS.html?ITO=1490

That's sort of what happened with the best malaria drug......popped up out of Chinese traditional meds....
 
Donna Gore said:
People who take advantage of the sick, dying and grieving - be they the snake oil salesmen or the "psychics" who claim to speak to your loved ones from "beyond the grave" -- those are just the lowest of the low, in my opinion. The scum of the earth.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
eeep.

But I'm trying to think of some kind of alt med that is not nonsense... eep.
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only a complete whack job would think that all herbs are worthless for certain problems a person might have.

this MMS sounds like a complete scam. $20/bottle -- someone is getting rich.
 
lionking said:
I have concluded, sadly, that he actually believes things he posts.
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Yer Lionking my stuff works. MM. did I endorse it? or say a friend was taking it. So far he's ok. Not my first choice but unlike you I like to give things a chance. My first choice would be peroxide vit.c and B 17. Or would you rather chemo and die. Here we are in this amazing life trip and so much is treated as crazy because many, you included can't take it on. I have tried to lift the corner of the veil but might as well wee into the wind. Old and fit and don't give a -----
 
It looks like the FDA has finally caught up with the JREF.

The Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to consume or use Miracle Mineral Solution, here
 
The Atheist said:
Sure as hell is, which is why I'm a little disappointed there aren't people attacking this stuff. Sylivia Browne's all very well, but she's not actively killing people, as far as I know.

Are the people advocating this stuff "actively killing people?"
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jakesteele said:
Are the people advocating this stuff "actively killing people?"
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What do you call it when people stop taking real medicine for snake oil and die?
Passively killing them? Especially when taken as the promoters of this stuff recommend it turns into an industrial bleach. Great stuff.
 
The Atheist said:
I had a search for threads on this disgusting idea, but it doesn't seem to have been discussed here previously.

Even worse, searches for it return no pages debunking the absurd premise behind the fraudulent compounds, nor the idiotic pseudoscience which they claim works, so a thread on here will rank pretty well.

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"Even worse" ??? I find it encouraging that this sort of claim is ignored en masse.

No offense, but why do you feel required to reject each individual extraordinary claim based on a per-case examination of evidence ? Logically we can reject any claim out of hand until the proponent provides significant evidence. You could spend a lifetime trying to refute the unsupported claims that have just arrived on the web this week. Why bother ? You are accepting an impractical, pointless and even irrational onus.

In the excrutiatingly improbable event that this space cadet gets a published report in a substantial journal that this product has merit I'll discuss it. Till then you are wasting your life refuting each and every half-bake baloney pile that comes along.

SRW said:
What do you call it when people stop taking real medicine for snake oil and die?
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Natural selection.
 
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