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I'm not 100% sure, but that may not be the real President Bush.

It might even be some former Democratic President posting as him, just to make Bush look bad.
 
crimresearch said:
I'm not 100% sure, but that may not be the real President Bush.

It might even be some former Democratic President posting as him, just to make Bush look bad.

I'm skeptical of your claim.
 
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You calling Turd Blossum a racist, C. Montgomery Guy? Still mad they won't let you march in the St. Patrick's Day parade? And who you think is hiring Emiliano, anyhow? A maquiladora in Changzhou?

I remember when the USA was a free country and a guy could burn leaves if he felt like it. Pay what he wanted, too. Now it's different. In-for-ma-tion tech-nol-o-gy. Rock and roll mil-len-ni-um. And if I tell you eating Jell-o is an
ex-treme ex-per-i-ence, you believe me, Nu-cu-lar Boy.

If you don't like glo-bal cap-i-tal-is-m, vote for someone else and kiss that tax cut goodbye.
 
crimresearch said:
I'm not 100% sure, but that may not be the real President Bush.

It might even be some former Democratic President posting as him, just to make Bush look bad.

Nope. It's the ghost of Millard Fillmore, a Whig.

Only he's not just a ghost...he's a ghost pirate!! Oh no!!
 
jay gw said:
Mexican state sacks entire police

Federal police have taken over security in central Mexico's Morelos state after a governor dismissed its entire police force.

The state's 552 policemen were sacked after the arrest of two top officers for allegedly protecting a drugs gang.

State governor Sergio Estrada said all the policemen had handed back their weapons while each one's record in the job was being scrutinised.

The two officers are accused of helping the Juarez cartel smuggle cocaine.

State police chief Jose Augustine Montiel and his operations director, Raul Cortes, are being held on suspicion of cutting a deal with the gang, which gets its name from a town near the US border where it is apparently based.

Five other suspects - also state employees - are on the run.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3621073.stm
Hey! That's my home state!
Just as a note, the police force that was fired (maybe temporarily, I'm not sure, I don't really pay attention to news form back home) was the Ministerial Police, which is the auxiliary force supposed to investigate crime under the state Attourney General.
 
Here are a few examples . . .

crimresearch said:
This is the second thread in which Mephisto has made his comments about corrupt law enforcement along the border...and I would like to see references here, just as much as I would in the other thread.

Well, here is something that might point to illegal actions by American law enforcement and SUSPECTED illegal aliens. I'm sorry my other accusations are based on rumor and speculation. The doesn't necessarily mean they are not true (if I could prove them, then it's easy to assume that other, more consequential people could prove them also - then we'd read about it in the newspaper). Please keep in mind that for a while many people in the U.S. maintained speculations that there were no WMD in Iraq, in spite of what the President said. Who turned out to be right?

"Orange County police departments have detained more than 4,000 suspected illegal immigrants over the last two years, driving many straight to the INS checkpoint in San Clemente for deportation, U.S. Border Patrol records show.
They are stopped for infractions such as soliciting work or selling flowers on medians. Instead of prosecuting them under municipal ordinances, officers take them to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service checkpoint, a practice discouraged by federal officials and one that critics say is unconstitutional and smacks of racial profiling."

http://www.calpoliceimage.org/INS Detentions.htm

Here is an example of how the unauthorized border patrols will inevitably spark violence:

" Ronald Morales said the confrontation happened near Saddle Gap in the Perilla Mountains about seven miles northeast of Douglas on Oct. 30, while he was hunting with his father, Arturo Morales, and his daughters Angelique, 9, and Venese, 11. A friend of the older daughter, Emma English, 11, was with the Morales family.

The families claim Roger Barnett screamed that they were on private property and chambered a round in an AR-15 assault rifle, then pointed the gun at the group and ordered them off "his" land.

Morales said he and his father believed at the time that they were hunting on state land - which has since been confirmed by the Cochise County's Sheriff's Department. He said the group left after Barnett threatened to shoot and kill them if they refused to leave."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/50356.php

Here is an example of the type of person who believes in vigorously guarding our southern borders.

"The leader of a second border militia was arrested by the FBI this week, and the man arrested last week will remain in federal custody because he's considered a threat to public safety, officials said."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/40127.php

Here is are several articles explaining how and why border tensions will escalate. For the record, I sympathize with ranchers who unwittingly play host to many illegals and must deal with the consequences of their presence, but holding people hostage at gunpoint isn't the way people who litter are treated in the U.S.

Border Hostilities Escalate

A confrontation of desperate people on both sides of America's border with Mexico threatens to grow increasingly violent, reports CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes, as ranchers in Arizona whose properties have become passageways for illegal migrants take up arms to guard their land from intruders.

The encounters between ranchers and migrants have sometimes turned violent. Mexican officials claim two migrants have been shot and killed and four others injured. The conflict has escalated into an international controversy. Immigrant rights groups are protesting the violence and the Mexican government is considering a lawsuit against the ranchers.

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/2006/article/2083

I'm really sorry I couldn't provide more concrete evidence, but as I said before, if I had that evidence so would other consequential people who could actually do something about it. Besides, it's a fair assumption that any given law enforcement group will have some "bad apples" who will get involved in bribery, drug traffic and other shady dealings. If you are involved in crime research as your handle indicates, you realize the possibility that there are corrupt Border Patrol agents.

Mephisto
 
. . . and there IS WMD in Iraq, and such a thing as a compassionate conservative.

Firstly some of them are armed only for protection, second all they do is monitor and report to border patrols and avoid direct interactions as much as possible. All their encounters are recorded by cameras that each member is required to have with them at all times.

Yes,

And all NRA members simply want to preserve Constitutional rights, maintain a tradition of hunting and collect vast quantities of assault weapons for home protection. They are all law-abiding sportsmen who monitor crime for the police and avoid direct interaction with burglars or trespassers. ;)
 
If you are involved in crime research as your handle indicates, you realize the possibility that there are corrupt Border Patrol agents.

Actually, I study 'crims', not crime.
;)

I not only realize that there are corrupt BP agents, but I hear of complaints from people in other agencies, since BP duty is often a stepping stone to other federal LE jobs.

And all the red flags are there, in the way the organization itself is structured...very reminiscent of the problems experienced by the Washington DC PD a while back.

I was hoping to get more info along those lines, and to document whether or not there were widespread shakedowns, rapes, killings, etc. by border patrol officers, and if so, was it condoned by the brass.

The general role of law enforcement in creating a hostile atmosphere for immigrants in the Southwest has, of course, been well known for quite a while in the Hispanic community.
Profiling, and threatening with turnover to Immigration, has been a standard practice for decades.

I'm curious to know if things have gone from that sort of policy, to a different level of predatory corruption.
 
Re: . . . and there IS WMD in Iraq, and such a thing as a compassionate conservative.

Mephisto said:
Yes,

And all NRA members simply want to preserve Constitutional rights, maintain a tradition of hunting and collect vast quantities of assault weapons for home protection. They are all law-abiding sportsmen who monitor crime for the police and avoid direct interaction with burglars or trespassers. ;)

I fail to see the point you were trying to make with that post.
 
I wondered about that --

CRIMS ----

CRIMS stands for Cost/ Risk Identification and Management System. CRIMS systems capture the uncertainty in corporate budgeting and project budgeting, more accurately projecting the probability of total expenses. The purpose of utilizing a CRIMS, as defined by CRIMS.org is :

The Cost-Risk Identification & Management System (CRIMS) is software and a methodology to accurately capture and quantify cost impact due to technical and schedule risk. The motivation to implement a CRIMS-System is to develop a more accurate prediction of cost. A second motivation is to minimize costs due to uncertainty during acquisition. A major factor in controlling costs is identification and monitoring of activities with high degrees of uncertainty. CRIMS is the solution to identify, predict and monitor activities of uncertainty, reducing costs.
 
Yes, but I said 'crims', not C.R.I.M.S.

Somebody who is a criminologist studies crims, (or more properly, 'crimins' ) not 'crime'. Otherwise, they would call it 'crimeology'. :D

And what, you may well ask, is a crimin? Or a 'crim'?
Well, that my eager listeners, is a story for another time.

Someday I may start a thread on Quantam Crim Theory...

:p
 
The general role of law enforcement in creating a hostile atmosphere for immigrants in the Southwest has, of course, been well known for quite a while in the Hispanic community.

I wonder how many of the 'incidents' involve the border patrol stopping cocaine flows from Mexico into the United States? Every year for 10 years or more the amount has been increasing.
 
Yes, the amount of cocaine seized at the border (but not neccessarily by the Border Patrol) has gone up.

So now 40% of the cocaine comes in somewhere else.

What is your point? And what does that have to do with the part you quoted?
 

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