Million Dollar Challenge Material?

[Uncayimmy]

The screen captures are fine, but they still don't prove that his mind was not moving the ball. If we assume that he has a firm grip on the pin, then any movement of the pin would translate into lateral movement of one or both of the fingers holding the pin due to friction. If his mind made the ball rotate, that would make the pin rotate. It's same principle that would translate the movement of his fingers into movement on the ball.

To use an analogy, suppose I stand behind a car with my hands on the trunk. The car moves forward. My arms extend forward as I keep my hands on the trunk. Did I push the car or did the driver ease the car forward? Visually, there's no way to tell.

In his video there is no way to tell if his fingers are causing the ball to move or if the ball is causing his fingers to move (other than common sense). Now, if he were claiming that the pin was rotating freely inside his grip, the clips would certainly debunk that. I don't think he's made that claim.

 

[bonavada]

the screen captures are fine, but they still don't prove that his mind was not moving the ball.

Of course they don't offer "proof" as such. What they do is suggest that there are possible means other than "mind control" by which the ball moves. Surely that possibility would negate this, as it stands, as acceptable for the MDC?

Now, if he were claiming that the pin was rotating freely inside his grip, the clips would certainly debunk that. I don't think he's made that claim.

A "rotating freely" claim is ruled out by the claimant himself. He has stated he has to be touching the needle/ball (call it a "system") Let's be realistic, his insistence on him having to be in physical contact with the "system" rings alarm bells. He claims he is "Moving A Ball Mentally" that description should preclude any physical contact.


It starts off really badly and just gets worse from there. I call BS.

BV

 

[Altered Statesman]

Kruse10, could you do the same thing using something thicker than a pin? Like a knitting needle with verticle lines on it so we can see how much the 'pin' moves as opposed to the ball? Or is the ability some mysterous electrical force which needs the pin to conduct the ball moving thoughts? If so, I'm sure conductive knitting needles could be arranged.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I think 'mentally' in this case means that he is willing his fingers to spin the pin. He and I share this amazing ability. Just the other day, I willed my fingers to cause a pen to write my name on a piece of paper. It's like Unca says, though. You really can't tell if I'm willing my fingers to move the pen or if I'm willing the pen to move my fingers. I should make a video.

 

[YeahDude]

Sometimes I feel as though some people are just trying to upset others with this insanity.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Kruse10, could you do the same thing using something thicker than a pin? Like a knitting needle with verticle lines on it so we can see how much the 'pin' moves as opposed to the ball? Or is the ability some mysterous electrical force which needs the pin to conduct the ball moving thoughts? If so, I'm sure conductive knitting needles could be arranged.

You missed the point of my post. Of course the pin or knitting needle will move if the ball moves. The question is whether the ball moves the needle or the needle moves the ball. In both cases the fingers will move. It's all part of one system. The question is where the energy comes from.

And thus we see the utter silliness of the video. It is impossible to tell which part of the system is initiating the movement. Sure, we're all convinced his fingers are providing the energy, but we know this because of things we have learned outside of the video. In the video itself it's not possible to tell (or at least nobody has demonstrated a way to tell).

Your proposal would be more of the same thing, just easier to see.

 

[Ocelot]

I'm not sure UncaYimmy is correct.

When I was rolling my paperclip between thumb and forefinger I was pressing them together to "brake" the movement. This helped make the movement slow and mostly imperceptable. I was apply just enough lateral force to overcome the friction between my finger tip. The needle and polystyrene having low rotational inertia simply went along with the movement.

The other way round with the ball moving I wouldn't expect the motion of the polystyene to overcome this friction between fingertips. Instead I'd expect the surface between polystyrene and paperclip or the surface betweeen paperclip and skin to slip. Though to be fair that wasn't something I'd tried.

 

[Mojo]

You mean if I showed one of the JREF representatives the exact same thing but in person
they would'nt be convinced?

I doubt that moving something that you are holding in your hand would be considered a paranormal act.

 

[Jackalgirl]

I think 'mentally' in this case means that he is willing his fingers to spin the pin. He and I share this amazing ability. Just the other day, I willed my fingers to cause a pen to write my name on a piece of paper. It's like Unca says, though. You really can't tell if I'm willing my fingers to move the pen or if I'm willing the pen to move my fingers. I should make a video.

Good Lord. I've been blessed with telekenesis all along and I didn't know it!.

I get what you and UncaYimmy are saying and you're both absolutely correct. What you have to do is demonstrate where the input to the system is: is it the force of the fingers moving the needle and ball? Or the telekenetic force on the ball moving the needle and fingers?

It's an untestable claim as it stands. The only way to make it testable is if kruse10 claims that he can move a ball that is not connected by any means to his fingers.

Kruse10, can you do that? You've been asked several times whether you can move the ball without touching it (or the needle), and you seem to be ignoring this question. Would you please answer it?

 

[Uncayimmy]

I'm not sure UncaYimmy is correct.

When I was rolling my paperclip between thumb and forefinger I was pressing them together to "brake" the movement. This helped make the movement slow and mostly imperceptable. I was apply just enough lateral force to overcome the friction between my finger tip. The needle and polystyrene having low rotational inertia simply went along with the movement.

The other way round with the ball moving I wouldn't expect the motion of the polystyene to overcome this friction between fingertips. Instead I'd expect the surface between polystyrene and paperclip or the surface betweeen paperclip and skin to slip. Though to be fair that wasn't something I'd tried.

That's why I said, "Now, if he were claiming that the pin was rotating freely inside his grip, the clips would certainly debunk that. I don't think he's made that claim."

 

[Ashles]

Looking at the video and a little work with Corel Paint makes me doubt the veracity of this claim.

You will notice, from the second picture captured very near the end, that the thumb covers the spot. This would suggest thumb movement or, at the very least, camera rotation. There also seems to be significant lateral movement of the thumb with respect to the forefinger. You can see that marked where the thumbnail intersects the forefinger on both images. It's only a few millimetres difference but enough to warrant suspicion.
With these points in mind watch the video again. The manipulation is hardly perceptible but, with a little effort, visible.

That was the first thing that struck me when you fast forward the video - the camera is tracking round exactly as you would expect if someone were trying to compensate for the lateral movement of the forefinger or thumb.

Why would the camera not be fixed?

No claim here.

 

[Robert Oz]

The first thing that I noticed was that I'd placed my polystyrene somewhat off centre. By holding the paperclip off vertical and relaxing my grip it moved of it's own accord. That's just gravity, nothing paranormal about that.

That's actually one of the things that came to my mind when I watched the video. It reminded me of a similar trick I used to do where I would hold a coin very slightly off centre and it would appear to rotate between my fingers on its own.

It can look quite impressive if the off centre grip is very subtle.

 

[Ocelot]

That's why I said, "Now, if he were claiming that the pin was rotating freely inside his grip, the clips would certainly debunk that. I don't think he's made that claim."

My point is that the pin rotating freely inside his grip is what should be expected from the ball being rotated, either with the power of the mind or with the other hand. For me it's implicit in his claim.

I would not expect, as it seemed you were suggesting, that a pin rotating between thumb and forefinger would cause a lateral motion of the fingertips.

However it's not a big deal and if you disagree, thats fine by me.

 

[Altered Statesman]

Your proposal would be more of the same thing, just easier to see.

If the needle, pin or whatever had markers on it as well as the ball, it would be easier to tell if they were moving at a different rate from one another, which would be a bit more impressive than the video in the OP.

If he can make the ball spin on the pin with only the power of his mind, which seems to be the claiming, shouldn't the ball be moving at a different rate than the pin is? Foam balls are pretty slippery inside so there isn't much friction against the pin to make it move along with the ball, you're fingers could grip the pin enough to stop the pin spinning along with the ball.

With a fixed camera and everything marked, couldn't you see if his fingers were moving compared to the pin?

...or he is just performing a rather easy magic trick.

Is his claim that he can move the ball, the pin, the pin and ball or his fingers?

AS

p.s - I love debating bollocks.

 

[DarleneSterner]

Hey I sent in my application for the challenege!!!!! I would like to start a new thread about me and what I can do, get some feedback and have others answer some questions I have. I value most people's opinions, and as I have recently applied I think it would be good for everyone to get to know me MORE. How do I start a new thread about me???

 

[Robert Oz]

Hey I sent in my application for the challenege!!!!! I would like to start a new thread about me and what I can do, get some feedback and have others answer some questions I have. I value most people's opinions, and as I have recently applied I think it would be good for everyone to get to know me MORE. How do I start a new thread about me???

To start a new thread relating to the Million Dollar Challenge, go to the "Million Dollar Challenge" sub-forum through the forum index and click "New Thread".

 

[fromdownunder]

Darlene, near the header of this Forum and on the left hand side, you will find a red button that says "new thread". Press that button, put in a header which summarises your claim, then type your text in the box, as you have with this thread.

A suggestion - the thread should not be "all about me" but specifically relate only to your challenge application, and only the specific details for which you are claimiing to be entitled to challenge for the $1M. If you deviate from this the thread will more than likely be shifted from the challenge forum very quickly.

So, in summary, don't talk about yourself, talk about your challenge. We are all waiting with baited breath. If you want to just talk about yourself, I suggest that myspace is the appropriate place to do it.

Norm

 

[LilaMae]

I should sign my mom up.

How do I convince my mom that just because when I call her, she'll say "I was JUST thinking about my sweet baby girl." does not qualify as having psychic powers.

 

[Ocelot]

Stop calling her ;-)

 

[rjh01]

Tell her 'yes I know, you are always thinking about me.'

That is also how dowsing works.