Milk - healthy or not?

I wasn't presenting hard evidence. I wasn't even presenting an argument but putting forward a topic for discussion.
 
Not wishing to set myself up as the thread anti-milk person but a search does turn up quite a few studies that detract from the "perfect food" image.

E.g.: http://www.pcrm.org/news/archive050623.html

This ties in with what I know from weight-training. Milk is becoming popular (again) as a post weights drink due to it supposedly causing a rapid rise insulin - something bodybuilders want post-workout to maximise hypertrophy, as well as all the protein it contains.

And: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/1/118

Not milk specific but relevant since milk is a common source of animal protein and is touted as a good food to avoid osteoporosis.
 
I stopped reading right here:

The most important culprit is almost certainly the overconsumption of protein. High-protein foods such as meat, eggs and dairy make excessive demands on the kidneys, which in turn leach calcium from the body. One solution, then, isn't to increase our calcium intake, but to reduce our consumption of protein, so our bones don't have to surrender so much calcium. Astonishingly, according to this newer, more critical view, dairy products almost certainly help to cause, rather than prevent, osteoporosis.
Click to expand...

Almost certainly ? According to what studies ? For example here is one that says higher protein is beneficial. And out of all foods is milk the one that people get most of their protein from ? This is stupid.

Does the article cite the studies and reviews it is based on ? As a general rule I consider all newspaper articles that refer to studies without citing them to be crap.
 
skullerello said:
Milk is intended for baby cows, not adult humans. Personally, I can't stomach the stuff, and just the thought of it makes me want to retch. It's bad, bad, bad stuff I tell ya'; cow poison!
Click to expand...
Cows are evil. Sure, they look all placid and defenseless, but that's just their mind-control making us think that. They're trying to take over the world, and milk is just one of their many insidious plots.

Personally, I tend to prefer goat's milk for most things, but it's expensive and hard to find. (It's actually healthier than cow's milk.) The taste takes a little getting used to for those used to cow's milk, but I find it's actually preferable. It's a bit lower in milkfat, so it won't work as well for certain types of cooking.
Maybe I should give up liquids and coffee (which is one), since there is nothing left, except for juice.
Click to expand...
You know, there have been a lot of studies recently demonstrating beer to be a supremely healthful and beneficial beverage, in moderation. As long as it's good beer, and not mass-produced American swill, that is. (Or some of that cheap low-end Australian, German, or British swill, either. Like Budweiser, beers like Heiniken, Stella and Fosters have been demonstrated to make you less intelligent, as hundreds of thousands of chavs have amply demonstrated.)
 
Jorghnassen said:
You either don't eat chocolate fondue in normal quantities or are an alcoholic...
Click to expand...

Normal quantities? Define, please.

Chocolate and red wine are fabulous together. Red wine (try a cabarnet) is wonderful in chocolate fondue.

Now, if I were an alcoholic, I would forego the fondue.

Of course, if I were a choco-alcoholic, I would pour the cabernet into the chocolate fondue, and dip chocolate-covered marshmallows in the fondue while drinking champagne.
 
bluess said:
Normal quantities? Define, please.

Chocolate and red wine are fabulous together. Red wine (try a cabarnet) is wonderful in chocolate fondue.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying chocolate and wine don't go together. But I need large quantities of milk to help the ingestion of melted chocolate (on fruits/cake). If I were to drink as much wine, I'd get drunk and broke in no time...
 
Jorghnassen said:
I'm ... But I need large quantities of milk to help the ingestion of melted chocolate (on fruits/cake). ......
Click to expand...

While red wine and chocolate are really good combination... So is coffee and chocolate fondue. Coffee is also good with chocolate cake.

But chocolate in any form will tend to make you thirsty... So to go with the red wine at the chocolate fondue, have a glass of ice water (milk tends to clash with the wine).

Though the best beverage with warm chocolate chip cookies out of the oven is a tall glass of ice cold milk.
 
My mother used to force us to drink a glass of milk with each meal. I always hated it, to this day I can't drink milk. However, I love cheese, ice-cream, and other dairy foods. I take any warnings or claims for food products lightly. I mean damn, everything can kill or cure you these days. I think being sensible is the best solution, don't overindulge, but don't deprive yourself either.
 
luchog said:
Personally, I tend to prefer goat's milk for most things, but it's expensive and hard to find. (It's actually healthier than cow's milk.) The taste takes a little getting used to for those used to cow's milk, but I find it's actually preferable. It's a bit lower in milkfat, so it won't work as well for certain types of cooking.
Click to expand...

We used to have goats' milk, mainly because we used to have goats. The milk isn't too different from semi-skimmed cows milk, and within a week of swtiching between them (in either direction) you'll be used to it. On other other hand, goats cheese is just plain nasty.

bluess said:
Of course, if I were a choco-alcoholic, I would pour the cabernet into the chocolate fondue, and dip chocolate-covered marshmallows in the fondue while drinking champagne.
Click to expand...

And this is why the Baileys fondue was invented. Chocolate and Baileys with marshmallows dipped in it. Does life get any better?
 
bluess said:
Normal quantities? Define, please.

Chocolate and red wine are fabulous together. Red wine (try a cabarnet) is wonderful in chocolate fondue.
Click to expand...

Cabernet? No. Not for a sweet dish like a fondue. Maybe with a high-liquor bitter chocolate. With sweeter chocolate dishes, i'd recommend a fine port.
 
Cuddles said:
And this is why the Baileys fondue was invented. Chocolate and Baileys with marshmallows dipped in it. Does life get any better?
Click to expand...

Only if there is a massage somewhere in the picture.

luchog said:
Cabernet? No. Not for a sweet dish like a fondue. Maybe with a high-liquor bitter chocolate. With sweeter chocolate dishes, i'd recommend a fine port.
Click to expand...

Of course, dark chocolate.


See, this is what we need to show the world that skeptics aren't all grumpy and snarly.

And now I will have to go get the various makings and do a taste test. :D
 
luchog said:
Cabernet? No. Not for a sweet dish like a fondue. Maybe with a high-liquor bitter chocolate. With sweeter chocolate dishes, i'd recommend a fine port.
Click to expand...

Chocolate fondue is not necesarily sweet. Chocolate fondue is any good chocolate (bitter is really good) mixed with some warmed cream. What wine you serve might also be determined by what you are dipping into the fondue. I don't think I'd like a port with pears in bitter chocolate... I might like a merlot, though.
 
Cabernet and merlot - too light.
Port - too heavy.
A nice shiraz - just right.
And don't dare drink milk. We need it to make fine cheeses to go with the cabernet and the merlot!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom