Milgrom and Homeopathy

[CurtC]

I have no idea how or why it works. However, since I know for absolute fact that it DOES work, if the right remedy is chosen, I don't fret about those details.

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So it sounds like your method is to take something to cure what's currently ailing you, and if the ailment goes away, the remedy worked, and if it doesn't go away, you had the wrong remedy. In which case you'd take something else, and repeat the logical deductions. Am I right? Do you see a problem with your methodology?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

(bolding mine)

So it sounds like your method is to take something to cure what's currently ailing you, and if the ailment goes away, the remedy worked, and if it doesn't go away, you had the wrong remedy. In which case you'd take something else, and repeat the logical deductions. Am I right? Do you see a problem with your methodology?

One point missed. If it gest worse, the remedy has worked. That's called an "aggravation"!!

I'm sorry to say this is true

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Wow, I come back after a year, and the usual misfits are STILL involved in mental masturbation. HAHAHAHA!

Nevermind. During that time I have had several more firsthand experiences with several more remedies in how homeopathy can function decisively.

I have no idea how or why it works. However, since I know for absolute fact that it DOES work, if the right remedy is chosen, I don't fret about those details.

*sighs*

Hello Xanta.

I thought your bowels were cured, so you shouldn't need homeopathy any more. Funny thing with homeopathy. It's such a miracle, but you people just don't stay fixed for long!

 

[Bowser]

(bolding mine)

So it sounds like your method is to take something to cure what's currently ailing you, and if the ailment goes away, the remedy worked, and if it doesn't go away, you had the wrong remedy. In which case you'd take something else, and repeat the logical deductions. Am I right? Do you see a problem with your methodology?

Not at all. One remedy per ailment, chosen based on the homeopathic literature.

Hey, I was just as pig-headed as all of you at one time. You'll never be convinced based on literature, only if you give it a try. And then only if you get the remedy right.

 

[Bronze Dog]

Not at all. One remedy per ailment, chosen based on the homeopathic literature.

Hey, I was just as pig-headed as all of you at one time. You'll never be convinced based on literature, only if you give it a try. And then only if you get the remedy right.

You mean unblinded, uncontrolled studies of infinitesimal size (1 subject)? Not very convincing if you ask me, even if it does seem to work.

What's the evidence from that "literature"? I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't poison the well and tell us what we would or wouldn't be convinced by. We're convinced by evidence, namely double-blind control studies, not our fallible, subjective senses.

 

[Bowser]

We're convinced by evidence, namely double-blind control studies, not our fallible, subjective senses.

Right, you would never believe your own Lying Eyes, except for pretty much every other aspect of your life.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, didn't I make that clear? You are indeed blinded to the possibilities and I accept that. It is why it is so amusing to read your back and forth drivel.

(Hey, Dog, it doesn't "seem" to work. It works without any doubt.)

 

[Bronze Dog]

Right, you would never believe your own Lying Eyes, except for pretty much every other aspect of your life.

Straw man.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, didn't I make that clear?

Then why are you posting?

You are indeed blinded to the possibilities and I accept that.

I'm not blind. You're content-mute. I'm asking for proof, and you're not giving it.

It is why it is so amusing to read your back and forth drivel.

Back and forth? I fail to see how anything I've posted implies equivocation, double-standards, or anything else that qualifies for that.

(Hey, Dog, it doesn't "seem" to work. It works without any doubt.)

Evidence, please.

 

[Bronze Dog]

Wow, I come back after a year, and the usual misfits are STILL involved in mental masturbation. HAHAHAHA!

Well, if we had some, oh, say, evidence to play around with, we'd be able to have a discussion, rather than take pot shots at a group of people often known for playing dirty.

 

[CaveDave]

Look, Lionel thinks it's quantum, man!

They flit like butterflies to any wacky pseudoscientific explanation anyone comes up with, and no matter if they're believing three contradictory things before breakfast. So it doesn't matter which one you explode, they always have something else to fall back on.

Rolfe.

The author's opening line "Previously, others and myself have argued for a..." was enough to make me want to read no further. What followed was even worse.

Dave

 

[CaveDave]

Hey, I was just as pig-headed as all of you at one time. You'll never be convinced based on literature, only if you give it a try. And then only if you get the remedy right.

Sounds strangely like another recent thread, where it was asserted that if one would drop to one's in a darkened room, close one's eyes tightly, and beg Jeebus to give one a sign, that it would come to pass. Believing in advance to get the proof. Suuuure.

Dave

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

You'll never be convinced based on literature, only if you give it a try.

Not only are you wrong, you don't even comprehend the basis for making a valid judgement.

You need to understand why you are wrong in thinking you are right before you will make any progress!

 

[Mojo]

Hey, I was just as pig-headed as all of you at one time.

Yep, this does sound like offal/QII/whoever else, doesn't it.

 

[Zep]

I don't know what Milgrom is worrying about with the "contaminated solvent" and all. Most homeopaths use plain ol' local tap-water to do their dilutions, with all its silt, dust, metals, minerals, salts (including sodium flouride), dissolved gases, and a massive selection of flora and fauna of varying sizes and danger to health. No wonder they get results! Clearly any disease worthy of its name would clear off when faced by the last few atoms of Genghis Khan in that single drop of 200C remedy!

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Yep, this does sound like offal/QII/whoever else, doesn't it.

I thnk she disappears when she is ill then pops back to tell how she's been cured...again.

 

[Bowser]

Just checking back to make sure all of you are safely locked up in here. ;^)

 

[Bronze Dog]

Just checking back to make sure all of you are safely locked up in here. ;^)

No new evidence from you = No new arguments from us.

 

[geni]

Just checking back to make sure all of you are safely locked up in here. ;^)

Nah I'm still are large asking those questions homeopaths seem to have problems answering.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Just checking back to make sure all of you are safely locked up in here. ;^)

The thing is, you would be a more impressive disputant if you showed even a tiny ability to engage with the issues instead of acting like a 5 year old. But, as an advert for the kind of person who advocates homeopathy you are useful.

 

[Rolfe]

Yep, this does sound like offal/QII/whoever else, doesn't it.

The thing is, back when you could analyse individual posters in the old forum, Yahweh did a comparison to see if Olaf and QII were the same person, that produced a very impressive match. However, when I asked him to do the same for Bowser, about whom I had extreme degrees of suspicion, the match wasn't there. Geni will probably remember.

Nevertheless, I have to concede it must just have been the same old Xanta (aka Gold, yaw and nerr in addition) operating in an unusual time pattern, because the use of language is so inimitably infantile that I simply can't see there being two of them.

Rolfe (still in the Med, now en route from Sardinia to the French Riviera).

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Wow, I come back after a year, and the usual misfits are STILL involved in mental masturbation. HAHAHAHA!

Nevermind. During that time I have had several more firsthand experiences with several more remedies in how homeopathy can function decisively.

I have no idea how or why it works. However, since I know for absolute fact that it DOES work, if the right remedy is chosen, I don't fret about those details.

I've been thinking about this a little.

I have to deal with unqualified people all the time and try to explain medical realities to them. I have never yet anyone who cannot comprehend that just because a patient improves on medication it may be coincidence. The greatest single thought-crime that homeopathic advocates are guilty of perpetrating is the post-hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Just because something happens after something else they conclude that the latter must be caused by the former.

In the real world, this degree of irrationality seems to be quite a rare disability. All I can assume is that its fellow-sufferers all congregate around woo-medicine sites, which is where we find them.

I just find it bizarre that a concept so simple a 5 year old can understand it seems to go ver their heads.