Mick Jagger the Child Rapist

qayak said:
Why? His alleged victim doesn't want him prosecuted just like Rae Dawn Chong doesn't want Jagger prosecuted.
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People should not be prosecuted for their alleged crimes just as a form of institutionalized and regularized revenge or a way to secure compensation for the victim(s), but rather because the criminal behavior has such a negative impact on either individuals or society that it should be repressed.

In that regard it should be completely irrelevant whether the victim wants them to be prosecuted or not. Certain kind of career criminals that operate under a code of silence, and refuse to cooperate with the judicial system, are a great example of the victims of crime that should still be protected by the law even when they prefer their own extra-legal form of revenge.
 
Mick Jagger, graduate of the Fabian London School of Economics, establishment stooge and all-round fraud.

"Please allow me to introduce myself ..."
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Mick Jagger, graduate of the Fabian London School of Economics, establishment stooge and all-round fraud.

"Please allow me to introduce myself ..."
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Darat said:
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So, the London School of Economics was founded by a bunch of Fabian Society members. IIRC, the Fabians were what Marx called utopian socialists as opposed to his scientific socialism. Again, IIRC, he had a soft spot for them but thought they had become obsolete by his time.

Anyrate, I think IsThisLife is probably some sort of marxist or anarchist so any graduate of a Fabian Society school must be suspect? Maybe its a far right thing instead, IDK. Still seems to be a "you can't trust fabians!" sort of idea, which is pretty funny because almost nobody knows what they are or were at this point.
 
Arcade22 said:
Okay, maybe they don't necessarily threaten their daughters lover with a gun but apparently it's still deemed completely appropriate to basically lock them up inside their own home to "protect" them from themselves and their perfectly legal relationships.
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It is? Where?
 
Belz... said:
It is? Where?
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It feels like every single American movie or TV show depicting teenage relationships always show their parents objecting to it, because they know just how dangerous teenage love and sex is. At some point they become angry when their child (especially if they are female) comes home after they have been with their lover, which tends to imply that they need their parents permission to be in a relationship or even just be with someone (It's almost as if their parents have a say in who they can be partners with). So of course they impose a curfew upon them, because again their child can be kept at home at their parents leisure.

Oh and their parents are so concerned about their children's welfare that they absolutely demand that their lover have dinner with them. Just to make sure whether they consent to the relationship apparently. No doubt every teen is thrilled to be forced to have their boy/girlfriend judged and evaluated by their parents (as is their right).
 
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Arcade22 said:
It feels like every single American movie or TV show depicting teenage relationships always show their parents objecting to it, because they know just how dangerous teenage love and sex is. At some point they become angry when their child (especially if they are female) comes home after they have been with their lover, which tends to imply that they need their parents permission to be in a relationship or even just be with someone (It's almost as if their parents have a say in who they can be partners with). So of course they impose a curfew upon them, because again their child can be kept at home at their parents leisure.

Oh and their parents are so concerned about their children's welfare that they absolutely demand that their lover have dinner with them. Just to make sure whether they consent to the relationship apparently. No doubt every teen is thrilled to be forced to have their boy/girlfriend judged and evaluated by their parents (as is their right).
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Yes, that's definitely exactly what always happens in America. Then, just in time for Christmas, someone in the family Learns A Valuable Lesson. And sometimes we get calls from the killer, who is always Inside The House. We can talk it over with our Wacky Neighbor, the Sassy Ethnic Coworker, or any of the other TV Tropes that are definitely real things that inhabit our American universe.

Maybe you just need to watch better TV? I'd suggest BoJack Horseman but you might take away the idea that we have anthropomorphic animals living here. We do, actually, but they're nowhere near as funny as the TV ones.
 
Well **** me. Having watched Lars von Trier's Riget a few times I guess I'm now in a position to tell Denmark everything they're doing wrong WRT health care. Thanks, ISF!

P.s. Dear Denmark : please allow junior registrars to book CT scans. TIA, JR.
 
Arcade22 said:
It feels like every single American movie or TV show depicting teenage relationships always show their parents objecting to it, because they know just how dangerous teenage love and sex is. At some point they become angry when their child (especially if they are female) comes home after they have been with their lover, which tends to imply that they need their parents permission to be in a relationship or even just be with someone (It's almost as if their parents have a say in who they can be partners with). So of course they impose a curfew upon them, because again their child can be kept at home at their parents leisure.

Oh and their parents are so concerned about their children's welfare that they absolutely demand that their lover have dinner with them. Just to make sure whether they consent to the relationship apparently. No doubt every teen is thrilled to be forced to have their boy/girlfriend judged and evaluated by their parents (as is their right).
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It's so cliched and baked in to the culture it's used in commercials. This one is from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H45-5Rga1B8

Back on topic, my personal feeling is this: Mick shouldn't have done it. Even if he was a caring, loving, generous, all-around great guy and she was mature for her age and completely capable of handling it (in other words the most ideal conditions imaginable), he shouldn't have done it.

He should have been the adult and decided there's still some variables that can't be known at the time. He also could've thought "You know, maybe other people will hear about this and see how easy it is to have sex with underage girls when you're in showbiz. This could lead to real perverts and predators getting in to showbiz just for that reason and make it so bad there has to be a giant #metoo movement someday to fight against it." (that last one's a stretch, I know)
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yes, that's definitely exactly what always happens in America. Then, just in time for Christmas, someone in the family Learns A Valuable Lesson. And sometimes we get calls from the killer, who is always Inside The House. We can talk it over with our Wacky Neighbor, the Sassy Ethnic Coworker, or any of the other TV Tropes that are definitely real things that inhabit our American universe.

Maybe you just need to watch better TV? I'd suggest BoJack Horseman but you might take away the idea that we have anthropomorphic animals living here. We do, actually, but they're nowhere near as funny as the TV ones.
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Arcade22 didn't say it always happens, read what they said again.

Joe Random said:
Well **** me. Having watched Lars von Trier's Riget a few times I guess I'm now in a position to tell Denmark everything they're doing wrong WRT health care. Thanks, ISF!

P.s. Dear Denmark : please allow junior registrars to book CT scans. TIA, JR.
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I think they were talking about Sweden, not Denmark......oh, are you American?
 
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Max_mang said:
It's so cliched and baked in to the culture it's used in commercials. This one is from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H45-5Rga1B8

Back on topic, my personal feeling is this: Mick shouldn't have done it. Even if he was a caring, loving, generous, all-around great guy and she was mature for her age and completely capable of handling it (in other words the most ideal conditions imaginable), he shouldn't have done it.

He should have been the adult and decided there's still some variables that can't be known at the time. He also could've thought "You know, maybe other people will hear about this and see how easy it is to have sex with underage girls when you're in showbiz. This could lead to real perverts and predators getting in to showbiz just for that reason and make it so bad there has to be a giant #metoo movement someday to fight against it." (that last one's a stretch, I know)
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Oh, hindsight is so 20-20!! Especially, the hindsight of those who weren't even there!
 
Belz... said:
It is? Where?
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Joe Biden frequently perpetuates this idea. He is big on the "lock up your daughters" train.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...2020-campaign-teenage-girl-fence-warning.html

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"At a swearing-in ceremony in 2013, Biden told Emily [Sen. Orrin Hatch’s granddaughter] to take care of her grandfather and instructed her “no serious guys until you’re 30.” Two years later, Emily reintroduced herself to Biden. “Hi Emily, how are you?” Biden responded before immediately issuing the gag, apparently to Emily’s family members: “I hope you have a big fence around the house!”


This fence joke appeared to be Biden’s going line in 2015 while swearing in the 113th Congress as the president of the Senate. After meeting Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan’s family, including Sullivan’s three teenage daughters, Biden first asked their ages, then asked Sullivan, “I want to know, do you have a big, big fence around your house?” A C-SPAN video from that swearing-in also showed Biden putting his arm around one girl’s waist. “Just remember, no serious guys until you’re 30,” he told her.

Here are just a few more past examples:

• In 2011, to various female relatives of Sens. Barbara Mikulski, Michael Bennet, Chuck Schumer, John Thune, and others: “Just remember, no dates till you’re 30.”

• In 2011, per a 12-year-old Pennsylvania girl: “He told me not to date boys until I’m 30!”


• In 2012, to the brother of a young North Carolina woman: “Know what my dad … used to say? You have one job: Keep boys away from your sister.”

• At the same campaign event, to a different girl: “No dates until you’re 30.”

• In 2012, to a preteen girl in Ohio: “I hope you’ve got a big fence around your house. … No serious dates until you’re 30.”

• In 2013, to Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, in reference to her two daughters: “You gonna build a fence around the house? A lotta machine guns?”'
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So...lock up your daughters: it's still a big thing. At least with Joe Biden, who seems to be obsessed with them. He's no Mick Jagger, though, so he hasn't got a chance.
 
I think it just boils down to a sociocultural difference; the two countries just value different things in parenting -on so many levels.

Which is a small part of why “it works in the Nordic countries,” isn’t really a good argument for something working in the US.

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As far as Mick Jagger goes, this just seems to be something that we tolerate and keep quiet about with Rock stars (and famous people in general). Jimmy Page had a 14 yo girlfriend. Elvis and Priscilla. Jerry Lee Lewis. On and on.

It’s weird to me that we know these things but it doesn’t seem to bother anyone. Like we give them a license to break laws, get away with it and we keep supporting them.
 
MoeFaux said:
Joe Biden frequently perpetuates this idea. He is big on the "lock up your daughters" train.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...2020-campaign-teenage-girl-fence-warning.html

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"At a swearing-in ceremony in 2013, Biden told Emily [Sen. Orrin Hatch’s granddaughter] to take care of her grandfather and instructed her “no serious guys until you’re 30.” Two years later, Emily reintroduced herself to Biden. “Hi Emily, how are you?” Biden responded before immediately issuing the gag, apparently to Emily’s family members: “I hope you have a big fence around the house!”


This fence joke appeared to be Biden’s going line in 2015 while swearing in the 113th Congress as the president of the Senate. After meeting Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan’s family, including Sullivan’s three teenage daughters, Biden first asked their ages, then asked Sullivan, “I want to know, do you have a big, big fence around your house?” A C-SPAN video from that swearing-in also showed Biden putting his arm around one girl’s waist. “Just remember, no serious guys until you’re 30,” he told her.

Here are just a few more past examples:

• In 2011, to various female relatives of Sens. Barbara Mikulski, Michael Bennet, Chuck Schumer, John Thune, and others: “Just remember, no dates till you’re 30.”

• In 2011, per a 12-year-old Pennsylvania girl: “He told me not to date boys until I’m 30!”


• In 2012, to the brother of a young North Carolina woman: “Know what my dad … used to say? You have one job: Keep boys away from your sister.”

• At the same campaign event, to a different girl: “No dates until you’re 30.”

• In 2012, to a preteen girl in Ohio: “I hope you’ve got a big fence around your house. … No serious dates until you’re 30.”

• In 2013, to Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, in reference to her two daughters: “You gonna build a fence around the house? A lotta machine guns?”'
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So...lock up your daughters: it's still a big thing. At least with Joe Biden, who seems to be obsessed with them. He's no Mick Jagger, though, so he hasn't got a chance.
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Ugh. I find these kinds of remarks, repeated so often, sketchy as f. I hope it's just Biden being tonedeaf and stupid and from the 1910s.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ugh. I find these kinds of remarks, repeated so often, sketchy as f. I hope it's just Biden being tonedeaf and stupid and from the 1910s.
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Same. Was grossed out and angered to know it’s a regular occurrence and not a one-time gaffe. He’s an idiot grandpa; that he didn’t eliminate it from his go-to lines shows how out of touch he is.
 
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