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Michael Vick: persecuted by PETA?

Brainster said:
Mediocre= Not very high quality; average or second-rate. And his ranking within the NFL is the only thing that matters;.
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No it doesn't. What matters is his value compared to replacement value. The claim is that he can easily be replaced. If that is the case, it depends what you are able to replace him with.

If you lose him, you pay a heavy price to replace him with an average NFL player. As pointed out, it costs you a high-first round draft pick to get someone like Matt Ryan. That's not easy to come by.

Lastly, while passer rating is usually a decent way to compare qbs, the trick to Vick is that his value is not solely in his passing ability. As such, your listing of passing ratings is apples and oranges.

As I pointed out, Vick was a two-time pro-bowl selection, so apparently the players in the NFL disagree with the assessment that he was "mediocre," even within the context of the NFL.
 
Magnifico2.0 said:
You should be smart enough to know I was speaking about public perception.

Mel Gibson will always be a Jew Hater, Michael Richards will be Crazy Racist... and when people think of Michael Vick they will picture him beating wounded dogs to death, or hanging them... there's a taint, do you see, the taint?

Taint!
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Yes, I understand the taint.

As for the rest thanks roger, for the bit on his less than brilliant habits in the charitable field. Maybe he remains stuck on "it's all about me."

For the rest, thanks for the input.

I admit that using PETA to frame the animal rights/humane societiy side of the country was sloppy. My bad. While it made for a good headline, it isn't fair to the significant gathering of non-whacko humane society/SPCA sorts who are most upset about Vick not being punished enough.

As to "the NFL being forced to hire him." No one takes that position, certainly not I. What I find less than sane is him being blackballed, officially. If all 32 owners, independently, and in due consideration of his talent, each decide that he isn't worth the baggage, then he'll try to get a job and not get an offer. Happens a lot these days to a lot of people. Cleon, I don't think the Bungles are interested.

*light bulb*

Dear Detroit Detroit Lions, have I got a back up starter for you, probably on the cheap.
pg said:
As I pointed out, Vick was a two-time pro-bowl selection, so apparently the players in the NFL disagree with the assessment that he was "mediocre," even within the context of the NFL.
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Yes, and a guy named Tim Tebo won the Heisman without being the best passer in the NCAA. Maybe QB is about more than passing.

DR
 
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pgwenthold said:
No it doesn't. What matters is his value compared to replacement value. The claim is that he can easily be replaced. If that is the case, it depends what you are able to replace him with.

If you lose him, you pay a heavy price to replace him with an average NFL player. As pointed out, it costs you a high-first round draft pick to get someone like Matt Ryan. That's not easy to come by.

Lastly, while passer rating is usually a decent way to compare qbs, the trick to Vick is that his value is not solely in his passing ability. As such, your listing of passing ratings is apples and oranges.

As I pointed out, Vick was a two-time pro-bowl selection, so apparently the players in the NFL disagree with the assessment that he was "mediocre," even within the context of the NFL.
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Seems like they made a bad decision to hire him in the first place. If they had that much riding on him they should have had more confidence that he was not committing felonies.
 
Well, to reference the Thread Topic-
Michael Vick and PETA deserve each other.
In my mind neither will be ever be punished severely enough for the crimes they have committed. And in PETA's case continue to perpetrate.

Vick made money off of dogs dying, there is not a sentence strong enough or long enough to "make up for" what he did.

For those of you who have pets at home- what would you, yourself, do to a person who-
1. deprived the animal of food for at minimum two weeks.
2. limited the animal's access to water, to the point where the animal is licking/drinking its own urine
3. Forcibly remove the teeth from the animal without the benefit of anesthesia, maybe, maybe a local would be used.
4. whip the animal at will and without cause.
5. remove the animals nails/claws, usually with wirecutters.
6. use an electric cattleprod on the animal
7. hang the animal upside down by its hind legs, or in some cases tail for at minimum 30 minutes

When the animal is no longer viable:
it is fed to the other animals, electrocuted, decapitated, or just gutted.
Was Vick a part of all of these activities, no.
Was he aware and condoned them, yes.

What would you want to do with a person who was involved in any/all of the above????
 
Did I mess the Conspiracy Theory where the NFL is just a front for PETA (or vice versa) or is this thread misleadingly titled?
 
Cleon said:
The only way he stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting signed is if he finds a team so desperate for decent players that they won't even care about the backlash.
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Hey Michael, pick up your phone!
 
Detroit can't get much worse.

When do I get to start wearing my Giants cap again?
 
shawmutt said:
Yeah, because conservatards rarely bring up Ted Kennedy in that argument.
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Congratulations. I would say that you should go for the MDC for your wondrous ability to read minds but guess what. You failed worst than Slyvia Browne trying to find a kidnap victim.
 
Drudgewire said:
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Hey Michael, pick up your phone!
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Hey the Raider fans around here (Sacramento) are resigned to Vick signing with Big Al Davis, being a disaster, and lowering the image of the Raiders even more...if that is possible.
Every intelligent Raider fan I know is not expecting any improvment in the team until Al goes that big locker room in the sky.
 
I think the role of public will is underestimated in these kinds of discussions. Whether Vick should get to play in the NFL again is not a matter of justice. Justice pertains to the legal system. The NFL is entertainment and that means they have to please the public.

Vick is one of my favorite examples of how celebrity can cut both ways. He made many millions more dollars than he deserved strictly from his football playing skills. In addition to the football playing, there was the marketing aspect of things and getting the public to like Vick because he's a different kind of QB and selling video games that he promoted and all that stuff. That's not football at all and he made a lot of money off of it because he, or his handlers, were able to persuade the public to buy it. In a sense it was an irrational obsession with him that enriched him greatly. I'm not saying that's wrong but I'm just noting it. He got some money for his football skills but he also got a lot out of marketing himself.

And then the crimes became public and there was a big negative backlash in the other direction. It was another irrational obsession.

"Irrational obsession" implies no reasoning behind it at all and I don't mean that. I mean that people can like or really like or really, really like whatever they want. Or dislike. They get to decide though. When considering to re-instate Vick the NFL can't look at this only as a matter of justice. They have to consider how their fan base, which is the ultimate source (directly and indirectly) of all their income, will react. Vick is a tougher case for them because views are so polarized. Some people think he should never be able to play again and others think he should get no suspension at all. Considering that I think the NFL had to take a middle road, which they did.

The moral though is that if you cultivate an obsession in others then you don't get to control it once it comes into being.

Lastly, I think Vick should feel fortunate for the length of his suspension considering he was funding a gambling ring and professional sports are very wary of gambling connections.
 
That is the real issue. Is what Vick brings to the field worth the ◊◊◊◊ Storm of bad press that signing him will bring?
I am of the opinion he was a mediocre quarterback,who was better at projecting a "bad Mother" image to the public then performing on the field. Now that his image is probably wrecked beyond redemeption, it is down to what he brings to the field. And don't forget his skils have rusted for two years, and is rapidly reaching the "OVer the Hill" age for the NFL. IMHO, it is not that much, and therfore only really deseperate teams like Oakland and Detroit or maybe Cinci will sign him. And if Vick performs poorly, the management will really have a huge amount of egg on it's face.
I guess some lower level team will take a chance. But I don't see him making a "comeback". I
 
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