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Michael Moore's "Slacker Uprising"

dudalb said:
And what is scary is that once in a while one of those manages to find his way into a postion of power.
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.
And don't throw a GOdwin accusation at me. I think it is a perfect example of someone who had made a mess of his life, but was convinced he was Germany's savior. And just looked at what happened.
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I have to watch the Movie again - because I have no Idea what you
guys are babbling about. :D
 
Quad4_72 said:
Michael Moore has a history of making deceitful biased movies. I NEVER said that his most recent movie was good OR bad. I said "Michael Moore is a GARBAGE filmmaker." I never made a comment about the movie. I merely gave an opinion, not a "debate tactic". In fact, I was not trying to debate anything.
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Well, I hope you'd want to have a well-informed opinion. Have you looked at Moore's factual backup pages for Fahrenheit 9/11? They're pretty extensive.

From what I can tell, the whole "Moore is a liar" thing is a myth perpetuated by Moore's enemies, who have repeated it so often that many believe it, even some of his supporters. Please read his defense, and see for yourself.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Well, I hope you'd want to have a well-informed opinion. Have you looked at Moore's factual backup pages for Fahrenheit 9/11? They're pretty extensive.

From what I can tell, the whole "Moore is a liar" thing is a myth perpetuated by Moore's enemies, who have repeated it so often that many believe it, even some of his supporters. Please read his defense, and see for yourself.
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I sure have seen those. But the fact still remains that Michael Moore uses deceitful tactics in his film. Prime example:
Fahrenheit 9/11 begins on election night 2000. We are first shown Al Gore rocking on stage with famous musicians and a high-spirited crowd. The conspicuous sign on stage reads "Florida Victory." Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida. Moore's voiceover claims, "And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place." The verb tense of past perfect ("had taken") furthers the impression that the election has been completed.

Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened. Gore did campaign in Florida on election day, but went home to Tennessee to await the results. The "Florida Victory" sign reflected Gore’s hopes, not any actual election results. ("Gore Campaigns Into Election Day," Associated Press, Nov. 7, 2000.)
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He leads you to believe the Democrats were celebrating a victory, when in fact that was not the case at all.
 
Quad4_72 said:
He leads you to believe the Democrats were celebrating a victory, when in fact that was not the case at all.
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Good God Quad, you mean a documentary filmmaker retimed archive footage to aid his point? The palpitations! The shock!

(For the record, I don't like Moore in the least)
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Well, I hope you'd want to have a well-informed opinion. Have you looked at Moore's factual backup pages for Fahrenheit 9/11? They're pretty extensive.

From what I can tell, the whole "Moore is a liar" thing is a myth perpetuated by Moore's enemies, who have repeated it so often that many believe it, even some of his supporters. Please read his defense, and see for yourself.
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You mean like "Bush flew the bin Laden family out of the US when nobody else could fly after 9/11", and "Saudi Arabia owns Citibank", and "Saddam Hussein was armed to the teeth with American weapons", and "Carlysle Group is BushCo."?
 
Reminds me of the Kerry/Bush election. I was walking in downtown Chicago, shopping with my wife, when we walked past a head shop with Bush Nazi shirts. I walked in to see some pretty cool bongs from India (one almost six feet tall) and the funny political shirts. Sure enough, the two potheads stoned to the hilt at the front register were talking about how Kerry would win in a landslide. "Dude, everyone I know is voting Kerry" The problem was, they were probably stoned when it came time to vote.:D
 
Axiom_Blade said:
From what I can tell, the whole "Moore is a liar" thing is a myth perpetuated by Moore's enemies, who have repeated it so often that many believe it, even some of his supporters.
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Have you SEEN any of his entertainumentaries? Moore has been creating facts since Roger and Me.
 
Skeptic said:
(Puzzled look)

If the slackers couldn't be motivated enough to get a job, a wife, an education, a family, etc. ... things that are important ... what are the chances they'd be motivated enough to get political change?
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If they can't get a job and education because of the political situation, then the issue of political change, as you can imagine, becomes the most important thing.
 
dudalb said:
And what is scary is that once in a while one of those manages to find his way into a postion of power.
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.
And don't throw a GOdwin accusation at me. I think it is a perfect example of someone who had made a mess of his life, but was convinced he was Germany's savior. And just looked at what happened.
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You are aware that Godwin's law exists because accusations like "Michael Moore = Hitler" are really too stupid for words.

Your statement is about the equivalent of saying "Why shouldn't I jump off an 80 story building? And don't throw gravity at me."
 
Just out of curiosity - did someone actually saw the >free< movie yet?
I'm wondering because nobody really addresses the movie, yet some
seem to think that it's Rep-Bashing. I honestly didn't get that impression
at all - so what's the Fuss about anyway? :p
 
Oliver said:
Just out of curiosity - did someone actually saw the >free< movie yet?
I'm wondering because nobody really addresses the movie, yet some
seem to think that it's Rep-Bashing. I honestly didn't get that impression
at all - so what's the Fuss about anyway? :p
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I will check it out later, when I have time for it. My opinion of Michael Moore is mixed, which means I'm forced to endure viewing his material until I discover he's a total moron. (Technically, I'm not forced to do that, but some of his work has entertained me in the past, so there.)
 
Ikarus said:
If they can't get a job and education because of the political situation, then the issue of political change, as you can imagine, becomes the most important thing.
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Sure, some slackers whine about how the world's unfairness and the evil Republicans are keeping them down and not allowing them to succeed -- but that's just a pathetic, and obvious, excuse. Somehow, most of their friends have a job and a career, despite the fact that "there are no jobs" or the "Republicans ruined the economy".

The slackers never did, and never will, "uprise", for the same reason they do not find jobs or raise families: such things require effort, and slackers don't *do* effort.
 
Skeptic said:
Sure, some slackers whine about how the world's unfairness and the evil Republicans are keeping them down and not allowing them to succeed -- but that's just a pathetic, and obvious, excuse. Somehow, most of their friends have a job and a career, despite the fact that "there are no jobs" or the "Republicans ruined the economy".

The slackers never did, and never will, "uprise", for the same reason they do not find jobs or raise families: such things require effort, and slackers don't *do* effort.
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Ah, so you were just pointing out the irony then, in case someone missed it... :o
 
But the weird thing about it is that Moore, who named the movie, apparently *really did* think the slackers will "uprise" and go vote for Kerry. He was not being ironic in his title. He was serious.

Why he thought convincing the world Kerry is the choice candidate of the lazy, unmotivated bums would somehow help get him elected, is beyond me.
 
Very boring film if you ask me. It better have been for free because if i payed for this you definitely would have seen a "Slacker Uprising"!

I forget the reason blacks were denied voting that day, can someone quickly remind me?
 
What exactly is the definition of a slacker? My understanding is that it originally applied to young, white males (mostly) with advanced college degrees who chose to work in low-paying jobs as waiters or in bookstores, rather than take higher paying jobs for which they were highly qualified in big corporations or law firms.
 
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