Michael Moore deserves public humiliation

I went to the moore hate website, and my favorite part is the donations section. I links you with PAYPAL so you can instantly pay them with no problem. Or you can make purchases at Amazon with a % going to the webite.

I like the piece calling him "trendy" for working on a System of a Down video. That really deals with the issue... It does not address that political stance of that band, or the fact that everyone in the band is Armenian that decended from the survivors of the genocide and are majorly politcal active. Ohhh a "rock band," Moore is trendy... let's knock him about the oscar.

BTW: I have not seen the movie.

I just wish those people were as critical to Bush as they are to a guy who made a movie.
 
Questioninggeller said:
I just wish those people were as critical to Bush as they are to a guy who made a movie.
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yeah GW gets a real smooth ride. ;)
 
Moore is no more nor no less than UCE. a liberal with issues about the current attitude in the US. His views are no more worthy of attention than yours or mine. People pay attention to him for the same reason they do celebs on political matters, They simply accept the word of anyone that remotely shares their political views.
UCE doesn't quite have that celeb status and is thus more often blown off than Moore
 
Drooper said:



yeah GW gets a real smooth ride. ;)
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You mean people around the world aren't criticizing Bush? What has become of the world? ;)
 
His entire "career" (ie, he doesn't have a job) is based on the idea:

"Criminal trespass is funny!"

And it's even more funny when there's an amature cameraman with you to film it! Remember to make snide remarks at your target - because then it's not a crime what you're doing, but "free speech".
 
Questioninggeller said:


I agree, would like to know the inaccuracies too.

No one has posted any info. other than the man is overweight.

Okay let's say that some of the things are wrong, let's dicuss the big picture. Moore makes asses [shows people for what they are] out of the heads of hearltess, greedy corporate CEO's. He attacks violence with his own style. He makes a commical show about the hipocritial nature of this country.

If anyone needs humiliation, let's start with Bush then move on to the CEO's who fire employees to move the manufacuring sector out of the country, then the people who pollute, and then if there if infinite time, let's more to the senate then congress, ect.
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The problem with Moore's tatics is that they wind up sparking debates about him rather than the issues he's pushing. It's counter-productive.
 
Well folks, im going to admit I was once a huge Micheal Moore fan-one of those peons on the MichaelMoore.com forums even. The problem is, both sides of this arguement are being silly.
Moore DOES point out some very real problems with the US. The climate of fear is a real problem that should be dealt with. Think about the number of murderers and rapists you hear about in society when in fact the numbers really dont reflect that. I cant remember the EXACT numbers but it was something like: "rape is down 14 percent but media coverage of rape is up 600 percent". Facts like that have led the US to a more violent way of dealing with the world. Moore actually attempts to point it out<using us Canucks as an example>. Good for him. Someone needs to say it finally.
My girlfriend dragged me aside in Amarillo once and asked if I was trying to commit suicide. Apparently being of muscular build and ogling someones 1970 Buick convertable<such cars having long dissolved up here> and asking the owner about it is just ASKING for a bullet. Absolutely silly. I like people asking questions about my luxo-barge.

The problem is, he is a moron. White men are taking a beating here-not a physical one-blame. We are being shoved around and made to watch everything get heaped on us as our fault. His crap in the book about white men is apparently supposed to illustrate a point but frankly it gets mixed into the mire of the actual media bias against us right now. Moores point is valid when he points out we are blaming the wrong people...but "jokingly" pinning it all on us pale faced males IS getting lost in the shuffle. Nothing is worse then a woman calling my sex a parasite and then starts quoting the "humour" in BFC.
As a former anthropology student his "facts" are a complete crock(on the male female issue). Its like he is reading idiot pamphlets printed in self-help or empowerment centres and taking them as fact. As a man who was physically abused by an X, im finding his crap about WOMAN=GOOD...WHITE MAN=BAD is ALSO rediculous. There is enough crap coming from both ends of that arguement-we dont need someone with little facts and a lot of followers wading in even while claiming its humour. Its not taken that way by many on both sides and it isnt helping anyone.

He really needs to remember that his words are taken as bible truth by many on the left. He has a responibility to make sure its accurate in all ways. As for those idiots on the right? I dont care about what crap they pull-im not a right winger. We need to be better then the other side. Moore isnt-he is just another lying millionaire who makes money off the heated opinions of a herd-like populace.
MMMM....salt lick


-edited due to my absolutely moronic use of english letters. The longer I stay online the worse my spelling gets-
 
Michael Moore is no better than charlatans like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. He capitalizes on weak, impressionable minds that have a particular disposition. I dont know wheather to laugh or cry that people can be so stupid.
 
What I got out of 'Bowling for Columbine' was:

The USA has a much higher murder rate than comparable countries, even when those countries have similar rates of gun ownership and higher violent crime rates.

Michael Moore argues that it is down to scare stories in the media making people imagine crime is much more common than it is, leading them to arm themselves and be ready to use firearms in situations other nationalities don't or aren't. He makes a reasonable case, I thought, though in a way calculated to be entertaining to an audience. It certainly rang true with my experience of the US media while I lived there.

I went in expecting him to be against gun ownership in a big way - but came out having new ideas about the situation.

That's what I thought made it a good film.

I haven't seen anything linked here that addresses these issues. Perhaps a right-wing American audience is less used to seeing their bigwigs ridiculed than is a European audience - US television is much more deferential to politicians and the like than UK television, for instance.

So, those anti BfC, come on! Why is the US murder rate so much higher? Or at least, why is he wrong? I really don't care about the details of how a bank gives out guns - it was obvious (I thought) in the film that they weren't doing anything illegal.

Edited to add: and the 'guns don't shoot people...' thread sure helps make his case for him - weird fantasies about preventing extremely unlikely crime and absurd phallic symbolism - bullets spurting everywhere indeed :D
 
The whole Michael Moore thing seems like a tempest in a teapot, isn't it? I mean, the guy is a COMEDIAN and a SHOW BUSINESS PERSON. Furthermore, Moore is (openly) a zealot, a guy with a point of view he will try to fit everything into--essentially, "Bush bad, Americans stupid and violent".

Mind you, this doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong about EVERYTHING; it IS true, as he points out, that most Americans seem to know more about who won the Oscar in what year, or about the fictional private life of soap opera characters, than they do about the real public life of their representatives in Congress. It IS true that American society is showing a worrying trend towards the "bread and circuses" (or "junk food and hit movies") mentality, and some people care little about anything else.

But it DOES mean that what he says need to be taken, at least, with a grain of salt. It is unlikely to be the ojective truth, or anything close to it. Moore is clearly underappreciating the "average Joe", who--after 9/11, for instance--showed a lot more courage and intelligence than Moore would like to give him credit for; so Moore (like others) had to invent out of whole cloth the claim that this bravery and determination was somehow the result of "government brainwashing".
 
What I've gotten out of this discussion is that if a person's work validates what you already believe then its accuracy is not as important as it would be if the situation were reversed.
 
Whatever you think

Whatever you think of Michael Moore and his politics, I think it would be fundamentally dishonest to say that he does not have an agenda. And that is perfectly fine, he has every right to it and to express whatever he wants with his films and what not. However, I think it is would be just disingenuous for anyone to claim that he is in anyway a dispassionate purveyor of truth.
 
welp

My wish was granted !

read up :

http://www.moorewatch.com


Moore sneered that we have a "fictitious president," alluding to the controversial 2000 election which, from Moore's view, ended unhappily. More disappointing for him was the 2002 election, which Democrats made a referendum on Bush and which he won stunningly. Moore scoffed that the war was being fought "for fictitious reasons." Never mind 17 UN resolutions ignored by Saddam Hussein, two wars against neighbors, or the murder, torture, rape and oppression endured by millions of Iraqis.
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