Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony

The Big Dog said:
Peter Wehner is a fanatical, neocon pro-war Prosperity Gospel fanatic Never Trumper...
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Your link doesn't seem to support your calling the "gutter punk" (???) pro-war. It is from five years ago, involves the Obama Administration taking military action against Syria and Wehner seems to be counseling against it.
For the United States to go to war with around a quarter of the nation supporting intervention–even before the bombing has started–is a very dicey and unsettling proposition.
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Are you really arguing that Trump is not corrupt? You see no evidence that he is a constant liar and manipulator? I understand you obviously support him, a lot, but this is exactly what Wehner was talking about: see no evil - hear no evil. There have to be certain basic standards that any leader is held to.
 
newyorkguy said:
Your link doesn't seem to support your calling the "gutter punk" (???) pro-war. It is from five years ago, involves the Obama Administration taking military action against Syria and Wehner seems to be counseling against it.

Are you really arguing that Trump is not corrupt? You see no evidence that he is a constant liar and manipulator? I understand you obviously support him, a lot, but this is exactly what Wehner was talking about: see no evil - hear no evil. There have to be certain basic standards that any leader is held to.
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what I am saying is that your citation to that fanatical never trump nut bar who fraudulently claims that Cohen squandered his intergrity (vomit) in the service of trump is utterly and completely false.

Trump did not make Mikey the mope lie to financial institutions to game the Taxi medallion system
Trump did not make Miley the rat ****** file fraudulent tax returns.

You may wish to choose your sources more carefully and certainly avoid quoting laughably false statements from your sources.
 
WilliamSeger said:
You have one of the most simplistic views of politics that I've ever seen. :rolleyes:
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Actually, he doesn't. As evidenced in his posting history, he is perfectly capable of intelligent interaction and nuanced thought.

Why he has chosen to assume the persona of "Cletus the slack jawed yokel" from the Simpsons over the past while is anyone's guess, but it is an assumed persona. Perhaps it amuses and entertains him. Who knows? That breaks no forum rules.
 
The Big Dog said:
what I am saying is that your citation to that fanatical never trump nut bar who fraudulently claims that Cohen squandered his intergrity (vomit) in the service of trump is utterly and completely false.

Trump did not make Mikey the mope lie to financial institutions to game the Taxi medallion system
Trump did not make Miley the rat ****** file fraudulent tax returns.

You may wish to choose your sources more carefully and certainly avoid quoting laughably false statements from your sources.
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Shockingly, I agree with you Big Dog on this. Cohen certainly was open and anxious to being corrupted.

But that DOESN'T mean Cohen was lying about Trump's actions. I mean seriously, does anyone really believe that Trump tried to buy Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougall's silence to protect Melanie given the timing? No, it is VERY clear that it was about the election.

Cohen would lie, cheat and steal for his own financial reasons. Is there really any doubt he learned that from Trump?

I cannot take Cohen simply on his word. But his word is better than Trump's could ever hope to be. So when Trump says that Cohen is lying, why would we care? Cohen is more believable because he has the threat of additional prison time hanging over his head. Trump can lie and lie and lie and there are no ramifications so TBD, why should we believe Trump?
 
I also agree that Michael Cohen has a lot of character issues but he has documented his charges. This is one of the problems police detectives, especially in New York, have with witnesses. You want somebody who can testify with prior knowledge about the Big Guy. But the ones who know are all dirty. They don't make the best witnesses.

My problem is, labeling Wehner -- just as an example -- pro-war and linking to a website in which Wehner seems to be counseling against taking military action against Syria. When you you post this you get silence. I ask, do you have any concerns at all about Trump's character? No answer. Surely you must realize by this time that he's a serial liar and manipulator of facts? At least give us the old:

"I'm not aware of that...and don't call me Shirley." ;)
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Seriously: I missed that, possibly because I now tend to skip over his posts without reading them.
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I'd say it's more going back to the 9/11 forum. But some....and I stress some....posts in the politics section can be thoughtful.
 
newyorkguy said:
I also agree that Michael Cohen has a lot of character issues but he has documented his charges. This is one of the problems police detectives, especially in New York, have with witnesses. You want somebody who can testify with prior knowledge about the Big Guy. But the ones who know are all dirty. They don't make the best witnesses.

My problem is, labeling Wehner -- just as an example -- pro-war and linking to a website in which Wehner seems to be counseling against taking military action against Syria. When you you post this you get silence. I ask, do you have any concerns at all about Trump's character? No answer. Surely you must realize by this time that he's a serial liar and manipulator of facts? At least give us the old:

"I'm not aware of that...and don't call me Shirley." ;)
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I think also the thing to keep in mind is that no one is suggesting Trump is going to jail off of Cohen's testimony alone. If he is now lying about everything, as TBD is suggesting, then no harm will come to Trump. But what Cohen is doing is laying out the blueprint for the investigation and telling the SOC and SDNY where the bodies are buried. It will be up to those offices to dig them up and make them stick to Trump.
 
The Big Dog said:
Yeah, absolutely destroying new con punks is just that simple.
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No, but viewing the entire political spectrum as Trump v. anti-Trump and thinking that simply throwing inane and/or asinine insults at any anti-Trumpers qualifies as political debate is just that simple.
 
newyorkguy said:
My problem is, labeling Wehner -- just as an example -- pro-war and linking to a website in which Wehner seems to be counseling against taking military action against Syria.
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Folks, from the article:

Neocon Peter Wehner is a bit wobbly from the extremely strong anti-war sentiment of the American public.....
Wehner feels that if Obama attacks Syria despite Congress, and things go badly as a result, it will only strengthen the non-interventionists....

He then warns his fellow neocon destroyers-in-arms:

"Those who favor an active role by America in the world–hawks who have spent their lives rightly resisting the “America Come Home” siren call–need to be wise in their counsel. Because if the next military engagement isn’t well thought out, well executed, and doesn’t lead to a relatively swift and decent outcome, the blowback could be intense."

Typical neocon, already thinking about “the next military engagement”. Any guess as to what he’s most likely talking about? Here’s a clue: The target name begins with an “I” and ends with an “N”.
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Golly I wonder why the website called him pro-war? Can a brother get a laughing dog?

"hawks who have spent their lives rightly resisting the “America Come Home” siren call."

Hoo nellie
 
WilliamSeger said:
No, but viewing the entire political spectrum as Trump v. anti-Trump and thinking that simply throwing inane and/or asinine insults at any anti-Trumpers qualifies as political debate is just that simple.
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HI! That quote was touted as a Republican, rather than what he really is, a fanatical warmongering neo-con never trumper.

See, everything aint so black and white, neo-con ultra hawks are cited favorably by Leftists suffering from terminal TDS
 
cantonear1968 said:
I think also the thing to keep in mind is that no one is suggesting Trump is going to jail off of Cohen's testimony alone. If he is now lying about everything, as TBD is suggesting, then no harm will come to Trump. But what Cohen is doing is laying out the blueprint for the investigation and telling the SOC and SDNY where the bodies are buried. It will be up to those offices to dig them up and make them stick to Trump.
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No Cohen isn't. I cannot even fathom where you got that from his testimony. In the whole, his testimony destroyed several claims against Trump, particularly collusion, and destroyed the Steele report.

He was nightmare for the leftists on all fronts.
 
The Big Dog said:
Peter Wehner is a fanatical, neocon pro-war Prosperity Gospel fanatic Never Trumper.

The fact that this gutter punk thinks that Cohen, the multiple tax evading, financial grifter, had integrity to be squandered is testament to this clown's idiotic opinions.

Don't take my word for ask Mikey the Grifter:



Good to see leftists cozying up to neo-cons, cool, cool
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Doesn't mean he's wrong.
 
The website is The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. Here's a couple more nuggets:

Donald Trump is no different than his predecessors. During the campaign, he said whatever he had to in order to get elected.
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"Mike Pence is known as the stupidest person in the Trump Administration, but Nikki Haley was known as the second-stupidest." So Lew Rockwell tells RT on the news that Trump's former Ambassador to the UN has been named to the board of US mega weapons manufacturer Boeing.
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'k ;)
 
newyorkguy said:
The website is The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. Here's a couple more nuggets:

'k ;)
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Cool that we agree that I was correct. hands across the aisle my man!

protip: I cited that website not because I agree with everything it says, but because you agree with almost everything it says.

"The best internet argument is made when smart posters use the opponents own prejudices against them."

-Sun Tzu The Art of war
 
Polaris said:
Doesn't mean he's wrong.
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That is true, the fact that this guy is a fanatical, Never Trump, neo-con scum weasel does not mean he is wrong.

Which is why The Big Dog expertly dissected his claim that Cohen squandered his intergrity in service of trump, when in fact he destroyed himself and his family through sleazy bank deals and tax fraud.
 
The Big Dog said:
HI! That quote was touted as a Republican, rather than what he really is, a fanatical warmongering neo-con never trumper.

See, everything aint so black and white, neo-con ultra hawks are cited favorably by Leftists suffering from terminal TDS
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Ironically proving exactly what I said.
 
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