Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony

[The Big Dog]

Ok, I guess the first question is, how exactly would those congressmen actually know when Cohen was lying?

Did ya read the letter???? It lays out chapter and verse how exactly Cohen lied and how they know it.

By the way, classic ad hominem fallacy attack on the authors of the letter, kisses fingers in the French manner.

 

[Tero]

Oh dear, you did not read the information, or you did not understand it?

I will assume it is the later. You see Dr. Keith, the first thing you have to understand is that the deep state can convict people for lying to the government about things that are totally legal.

Let me give you a super simple example. Say Donald trump got his car fixed on saturday, but Michael Cohen said he got it fixed on friday. the deep state can and will prosecute targets of ratsistance for "lying" about thing that are totally legal in order to co-opt them into doing their sleazy business.

That is the case here, Cohen admitted lying about Trump doing absolutely legal things.

That is why we call them process crimes, the deep state had nothing on Trump so they ginned up some fake charges against Cohen to go along with the real actual crimes Cohen and his wife committed and got him to roll over like a rat.

I hope this helps

Yeah we have
-conspiracy with wikileaks etc
-major tax evasion
-hush money
-grabbing pussy
-big loans from Russia
-avoiding property tax on golf courses

A fine president. He’ll get racketeering charges at the least. They will try to hide Mueller report.

 

[The Big Dog]

Jim Jordan is a douchebag who doesn't know how to dress himself. Who gives a rat's ass what he thinks.

Folks, I will save you a click, that is a curiously long article about who Jim Jordan does not usually wear a suit coat.

I say this without hyperbole: that is the dumbest most specious and frivolous article on the entire internet. It makes time cube look like collected works of Samuel Pepys in comparison.

What you've just linked is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent link was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having been exposed to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[The Big Dog]

But anyway, are you feeling all right?

You did not answer that question.

passing well.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Nm

 

[Crossbow]

passing well.

OK then.

 

[The Big Dog]

Damn fine article from a very experienced attorney:

To any experienced lawyer, it’s obvious that the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York included those “campaign finance violations” against Cohen in his plea agreement simply to aid the Democrats and Mueller in smearing President Trump. The “campaign finance” charges are not valid, and nothing about Cohen’s testimony today changes that analysis.

https://townhall.com/columnists/sid...ny-show-his-irrepressibly-lying-ways-n2542363

Sure it is not a Congressman is not wearing a suit jacket, but there are times when TBD feels y'all are ready for some substance.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Did ya read the letter???? It lays out chapter and verse how exactly Cohen lied and how they know it.

By the way, classic ad hominem fallacy attack on the authors of the letter, kisses fingers in the French manner.

Lol, you still don't understand that one, huh. Asking how these guys know Cohen is lying is a reasonable question, not an argument, so it can't be fallacious. Anyway, as lame as this letter is, I notice that none of these alleged lies has anything to do with his testimony about Trump's lying and cheating, so who cares who created that Twitter account. One thing you need to wrap your head around, asap, is that the case against Trump doesn't depend on Cohen's honesty, so you're wasting energy with the attack. The charges that will stick will be the ones that can be proved, and there are plenty.

 

[Oystein]

I found a Trump tweet from less than a year ago that has aged beautifully.

The New York Times and a third rate reporter named Maggie Haberman, known as a Crooked H flunkie who I don’t speak to and have nothing to do with, are going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will “flip.” They use....

....non-existent “sources” and a drunk/drugged up loser who hates Michael, a fine person with a wonderful family. Michael is a businessman for his own account/lawyer who I have always liked & respected. Most people will flip if the Government lets them out of trouble, even if....

....it means lying or making up stories. Sorry, I don’t see Michael doing that despite the horrible Witch Hunt and the dishonest media!

Nobody else in this thread has defended Cohen as much as Trump and Big Dog have.

Wow. Trump totally called it. Amazing

Lots of people got burned by cohen. Should have known that he had sins in his and his wifes past that would allow the deep state to turn him into a sniveling rat and hero of the ratsistance

Yeah right - Trump totally called it!
Trump: "Michael, a fine person with a wonderful family"
TBD: "he had sins in his and his wifes past"

Trump: "I don’t see Michael doing that"
TBD: "turn him into a sniveling rat"

How delightful! It gets better:

Didya read the whole tweet chain there sparky?

Go ahead, we'll wait.

Teehee

You mean where trump called the fact that your new hero would flip and lie? Yeah. I saw that

Trump nailed it again. Very astute

Again:

Trump: "I don’t see Michael doing that"
TBD: "trump called the fact that your new hero would flip and lie"

Just give the Dawg a shovel!
Here, someone hands TBD a shovel:

You mean where trump called the fact that your new hero would flip and lie? Yeah. I saw that

I don’t see Michael doing that

You should pay more attention. Admit that you got it wrong.

Dig dig dig...

 

[Checkmite]

Avid readers of this thread will note my expert summary of many of the facts in this attached document. This is a criminal referral to the DoJ outlining many of Cohen's montrous lies and outright whoppers he told yesterday:

NEW: @Jim_Jordan & @RepMarkMeadows have sent a letter to DOJ referring Michael Cohen "for perjury and knowingly making false statements before the Committee at yesterday's hearing."

The freshest and finest content on the forum, courtesy of The Big Dog.

The hilarious part about this is, none of the semantic quibbles in this letter calls into question any statements Cohen made about Donald Trump, which testimony was the purpose of yesterday's hearing.

Meadows and Jordan appear to just be angry that they were made to so thoroughly look the fool at the hearing. Meadows particularly is also definitely mad that his attempting to use a black employee as a token to "prove" that Trump isn't racist was called out as itself racist.

 

[The Big Dog]

Ok, I guess the first question is, how exactly would those congressmen actually know when Cohen was lying? After all, the republicans spent so much time grandstanding and monologuing that I'm surprised they even paid attention to any of Cohen's testimony.

Secondly, why exactly do they think that's useful or relevant?

Do they honestly think nobody at the DOJ involved with the case was watching the hearings? That they wouldn't be smart enough to recognize if/when Cohen was lying?

So you have a claim by 2 republican congress-critters, one of whom has a shady past regarding sexual allegations, the other may have lied about his academic credentials, making demands that the DOJ should act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)#Ohio_State_University_abuse_scandal

https://www.citizen-times.com/story...rk-meadows-lie-his-college-degree/2872646002/

Lol, you still don't understand that one, huh. Asking how these guys know Cohen is lying is a reasonable question, not an argument, so it can't be fallacious. Anyway, as lame as this letter is, I notice that none of these alleged lies has anything to do with his testimony about Trump's lying and cheating, so who cares who created that Twitter account. One thing you need to wrap your head around, asap, is that the case against Trump doesn't depend on Cohen's honesty, so you're wasting energy with the attack. The charges that will stick will be the ones that can be proved, and there are plenty.

I highlighted the fallacious statement for you.

"so who cares who created that Twitter account." If no one cared, why did your hero lie about that too?

protip: there is not a case against trump, and if there were, the fact that this Hillary level lying rat ****** is the witness for the prosecution?

Yeah, gonna put that right down as: Four More Years of MAGA.

 

[smartcooky]

Gerry Connolly did a good job drilling down on some needed information as well. On the whole, Popehat's analysis was spot on. I have a feeling today's closed door session with the house intelligence committee will be more productive since there won't be a need to perform for an audience.

House Republicans needed a trial lawyer—or even a moderately bright junior-high mock-trial participant—to tell them how to do anything. Cross-examination is hard. It’s not just barking at the witness. It takes meticulous planning and patience. Republicans could have marshaled Cohen’s many sins of the past to undermine his statements today. Instead, they returned repeatedly to lies and misdeeds he’s already admitted, wallowed in silly trivialities such as the “Women for Cohen” Twitter account, and yelled. The effect was to make an unsympathetic man modestly more sympathetic. Republicans committed the classic cross-examination blunder: They gave the witness the opportunity to further explain his harmful direct testimony. They provided Cohen with one slow pitch up the middle after another, letting him repeat the cooperating witness’s go-to explanation like a mantra: I did these bad things so often and so long because that’s what it took to work for your guy. I have seldom seen a cross-examination go worse.

If the hearing’s participants needed trial lawyers, its absent subject needs them even more. Whether the danger is looming impeachment hearings or the special counsel’s investigation, the president of the United States is in the soup.​

Maybe they needed to pull a "Blasey-Ford Hearing" trick, and get a prosecutor to ask their questions for them, or perhaps TBD should have offered them his years of *snicker* "experience" as a wannabe web-lawyer and volunteer his services. After all he could not possibly have done a worse job than they did. He's got, you know "pro tips" "n" all

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yeah we have
-conspiracy with wikileaks etc
-major tax evasion
-hush money
-grabbing pussy
-big loans from Russia
-avoiding property tax on golf courses

A fine president. He’ll get racketeering charges at the least. They will try to hide Mueller report.

But we knew almost all of that before he was elected, hell he argues he is absoutely the worst person to run a golf course, see how much the value of his golf course in Ossining tanked according to him after he bought it.

"According to Fried, the Trump Organization filed a tax grievance on Tuesday with the town assessor’s office in Ossining, valuing the course at $7.5 million, or half of the $15.1 million the town calculates should be the tax basis for the course. This is the same course, spread over 143 acres in Westchester County, that presidential candidate Donald Trump listed on his publicly-filed financial disclosure report as being worth $50 million in 2016.

The move is consistent with repeated efforts by the Trump Organization to challenge the valuation of the property in an effort to win massive tax reductions. In 2016, Trump’s lawyer initially claimed in a grievance the property was worth only $1.35 million, even though the tax assessors rated it at $15 million.

Fried said that in past years, the Trump Organization has paid their taxes -- which are still being litigated for 2015 and 2016 in local courts -- with checks stamped: “Paid Under Protest.”

Trump bought the property at a foreclosure sale for $8 million and reportedly spent $45 million to build the 18-hole golf course and luxury housing development. In 2008, town officials say, the golf club received a reduction in its assessment from $38 million to $16 million.”"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-organization-seeks-hefty-tax-break-westchester-golf/story?id=48179222

Trump he has the skill to take a foreclosed property and destroy its value even further.

 

[The Big Dog]

The hilarious part about this is, none of the semantic quibbles in this letter calls into question any statements Cohen made about Donald Trump, which testimony was the purpose of yesterday's hearing.
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falls off chair...

folks, I am going to do y'all a solid and link this again, because it seems the the big Dog is the only one who bothered to read it, yet that does not stop our correspondents from flat out lying about it.

https://republicans-oversight.house...2-28-JDJ-MM-to-Barr-re-Cohen-DOJ-Referral.pdf

Points 2, 5 and 6 directly relates to Cohen's lies about the President.

I got to tell you though, the argument that a person convicted of lying to Congress caught lying to Congress again is "semantic quibbles" or 'who cares" is shocking but not really surprising I guess, because he might be a sniveling rat faced liar, but he is the Democrat party's' sniveling rat faced liar, so 'who cares' if he lied.

Hoo boy

 

[dudalb]

The past three years have often felt like a vivid dream nightmare. But now that I know there are "literal monsters" walking about, the stakes got a whole lot higher. I'm going to to enlist some superheros, literally possessing super-human powers. I'll get to that right after attending services for the dear, departed word literally.

Don't forget that Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont and highest ranking Democratic member of the Judiciary committee is a huge Batman fan;he wrote the introduction when DC reprinted the first year of Batman from 1939 and has had cameos in all the Batman films since "Batman Begins". Best was in "Dark Knight" where he is the man at the party who tells off the Joker. Best cameo by a politician ever.
And although I did not overall care for the film, he had a cameo as a Senator in "Batman Vs Superman" and was the advisor for the film on senate committee procedure for the scenes of the Senate hearing.

 

[dudalb]

I hate to be so superficial, but her presentation was weak. When you stumble badly on your own speech in the same place twice, that's a problem indicative of trying too hard, failing to use simple, concise language.

I long for the time when you had to be decent public speaker to have any degree of success in politics.

 

[Belz...]

falls off chair...

Laughter. Curtains. Applause.

 

[The Big Dog]

Maybe they needed to pull a "Blasey-Ford Hearing" trick, and get a prosecutor to ask their questions for them, or perhaps TBD should have offered them his years of *snicker* "experience" as a wannabe web-lawyer and volunteer his services. After all he could not possibly have done a worse job than they did. He's got, you know "pro tips" "n" all

Interestingly, the Big Dog said that yesterday... America could have used TBD yesterday.

Hopefully they picked up some of my thoughts from twitter or my web site

 

[Steve]

The hilarious part about this is, none of the semantic quibbles in this letter calls into question any statements Cohen made about Donald Trump, which testimony was the purpose of yesterday's hearing.

Meadows and Jordan appear to just be angry that they were made to so thoroughly look the fool at the hearing. Meadows particularly is also definitely mad that his attempting to use a black employee as a token to "prove" that Trump isn't racist was called out as itself racist.

In his whining about being id'd as a racist the racist Meadows several times claimed Cummings as a close personal friend. I seriously wonder if that is true, and if so, why Cummings would be friends with a racist.

 

[Steve]

Laughter. Curtains. Applause more laughter.

You got the last word wrong