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Michael Brown Shooting

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Distracted1 said:
Antagonism goes both ways, you know. You have referred back to the antagonistic relationship several times as evidence that officer Wilson might have cause to harass and ultimately murder Mr. Brown, but you seem to be blind to the fact that that relationship could in fact also offer evidence of Mr. Browns motives in attacking the policeman.
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If a cop tells you to get the eff out of the street and you don't, that's pretty antagonistic as well.

I don't see where I said the antagonistic relationship between the cops and citizens was a dominant-submissive affair. I said Wilson didn't need to be antagonistic toward two guys walking down the middle of a residential street.

Wilson should have more selectively picked his battles but instead seemed to be a rather power-tripping cop at that moment.
 
It's possible that more than one shot from the beginning of the shooting sequence, is not recorded.

It may be that the shot fired during the fight, and 2 or 3 shots fired at Brown as he ran, are not on the recording.

We just don't know, and we can't tell.
 
I haven't taken the execution possibility off the table just yet. Both head shots were back to front and the only to get that trajectory is to have Wilson standing close to Brown (6 ft. according to witnesses) and shooting downwards at an already kneeling Brown.

If only one of the head shots was back to front then it could be that one shot caused Brown to collapse and the next shot was a back to front shot. But I don't see it with two.
 
Elagabalus said:
I haven't taken the execution possibility off the table just yet. Both head shots were back to front and the only to get that trajectory is to have Wilson standing close to Brown (6 ft. according to witnesses) and shooting downwards at an already kneeling Brown.

If only one of the head shots was back to front then it could be that one shot caused Brown to collapse and the next shot was a back to front shot. But I don't see it with two.
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Back to front is merely a reference from a mid-body line.

IOW, if you stood Brown's body up, the trajectory is from behind the mid-body line towards the front of the body.

It's possible to get that trajectory several different ways.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
That would be him falling forward as the shots are being fired..

Would a diagram with a timeline help?

Is it impossible for any of the last four shots to have missed?
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It might help if you made a timeline for yourself.

You have a 3 second pause in the shot volley, one more shot and another 1 second pause then 3 more shots.

At what point there did Brown bend his head down?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Dorian Johnson said that it took 2 or 3 minutes for Wilson to decide to get out of the SUV.
Brown would have been long gone out of sight by then.

So what would Wilson be shooting at?

Probably NSFW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4-wlDI6hg18#t=473
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Wasn't it established on about page one that such a timeframe was impossible?

I don't think time estimates or distance estimates by eye witnesses that are not correct necessarily impeach their full accounts. It's just what people do.
 
casebro said:
One in the eyebrow, one in the top, NEITHER were back to front.
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You probably should review Baden and Purcells' statements.

Both wounds were angled back to front. That's not saying they entered the back of the head. It's saying they went in the top at an angle toward the face.
 
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I suspect that three seconds is enough time to go from hands up, do an about face and go forward a step while saying "Watchya gonna do, shoot me? "

Football players go 100 yards in ten seconds, IIRC,
 
LTC8K6 said:
Back to front is merely a reference from a mid-body line.

IOW, if you stood Brown's body up, the trajectory is from behind the mid-body line towards the front of the body.

It's possible to get that trajectory several different ways.
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If Mike's head diagrams are accurate, you can't get the trajectories unless Wilson is shooting from a higher level than Brown's head is.
 
casebro said:
I suspect that three seconds is enough time to go from hands up, do an about face and go forward a step while saying "Watchya gonna do, shoot me? "

Football players go 100 yards in ten seconds, IIRC,
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And nobody shoots them?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You probably should review Baden and Purcells' statements.

Both wounds were angled back to front. That's not saying they entered the back of the head. It's saying they went in the top at an angle toward the face.
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I recall place they entered, but trajectory definitely ruled out. But I was responding to a different poster. I've given up talking to you.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
What evidence do you have that rules out any point during that time?
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Brown's head was down before the kill shot(s) and probably also before both head shots.

Did that happen during or before the three second pause?

If we wanted to make the 'Wilson shot in self defense' scenario work Brown would have had to have his head up during that three second pause and down for the last 2 bullets in what, a 2 second time frame?

Wilson lets off a 4 shot volley while he allegedly believes Brown is coming at him. Did he mistake Brown falling or getting down for "coming at him"?
 
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