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Michael Brown Shooting

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Wolrab said:
The narrower the street, the less space to maneuver, so you should not be walking on it.
The wider the street, the faster cars go, making it unsafe to walk down the middle.
If only the was an alternative that allowed someone to walk down the sides of the road. Hell, they could even be made of concrete squares (interesting fact I learned recently: If the squares are the same length and width, the diagonal from opposing corners is shorter.) . Don't anyone steal my idea as I am going to patent it!
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But what will you call such a thing? Probably some ridiculous name that has nothing to do with its placement or intended function, I'll wager! :D
 
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Great advice and solution, thank you!
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I'm guessing it's not true, and that person is just having a really hard time imagining Mike Brown could steal something ...

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...orian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

ERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC.
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Thank you for addressing this without the snark. The snark level here is one of the reasons I rarely post. Takes too long to wade through topics when one post may be valuable and six following are worthless, mean-spirited pant-loads.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
For anyone interested, here is a scope depiction of the gun shot audio..




I wonder why the latter shots are somewhat quieter than the earlier ones. Maybe the guy doing the recording repositioned the mike after the first round, even though he did not seem to be reacting to the sound of the shots...
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Or Wilson moved to a different position.
 
Interesting and puzzling to see ten pages devoted to the street crossing.
I cross streets on foot quite often - single lane streets, double lane streets, streets with lines, streets without lines, etc. Sometimes I cross at an angle perpendicular to the curb, sometimes at some other angle, thereby shortening the distance to my destination. If ever I see a police car, I think "oops, I hope he doesn't stop me". They usually don't , but I've been stopped a couple of times. Not surprising that Brown and his friend were stopped based on this alone, and postulating this is probably as best as it gets for the Brown supporters. It is possible, even likely, that the stoned, confrontational Brown was walking down the middle of the street in a threatening manner. In which case, it would almost certainly cause him to be pulled over. And the "we're almost home" comeback, well...
One possibility is that Brown was trying to impress Johnson, who he just met recently, with his badassness. Things were going well with the robbery and all, and he was on a roll. When the cop pulled up, he felt he had to maintain a tough guy persona.
 
It sure seems to me that a lot of these sorts of racially charged incidents are actually caused and/or worsened by the racially obsessed narratives of the media and the hardcore Brown supporters. It's continually drummed into black youth that the racist white police are out to get them and they have no chance.
I saw a video recently, I think on LGF, where a black kid of about 10 or so was asking "am I next to be shot?" as if it's likely for a random 10 year old to get shot just for being black. What was interesting is that the little kid seemed to have figured out the right lines to get on TV. The racial outrage story sells so well!
 
Lerxst said:
In your opinion...and its interesting how you have no problem overstating the actions of the police while simultaneously understating the actions of Brown and Johnson. Wilson was "hassling" them while Brown and Johnson were doing nothing wrong. It is quite clear you are hopelessly biased.
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Bias: as in you reading something in my posts I've not said.

As far as Wilson knew at first, Brown and Johnson were doing nothing bad enough to warrant confronting them. Especially given that is lousy policing to be overly aggressive like that when an antagonistic relationship with the citizens already exists.

Notice how much differently Captain Johnson handled the situation in Ferguson compared to the antagonistic way the cops initially handled the situation?

See how your confirmation bias changed what I actually said?

And after the first contact, if Wilson did hear the robbery report, had he not initially confronted the two and set the situation up, he could have more easily approached them. Or, if he hadn't gotten his jock strap in a bunch he might have properly approached the two, calling for back up and/or stopping a distance away and ordering them down on the ground before screeching his car back and opening the door too close to them.

Cops claim they have people get down on the ground for everyone's safety. Too bad Wilson didn't do that this time.


Lerxst said:
So let's take your argument at face value and accept that bad policing is, as you state here, hassling kids (Brown nor Johnson are/were kids) for walking down the middle of narrow residential streets (you just finally admitted that the width of the street doesn't matter).
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Again, please pay attention, I said 20 or 28 feet wide is still a narrow residential street.

Notice how I did not say it didn't matter that it was a residential street.


Lerxst said:
This must mean that letting adults (that should know better) get away with "minor crimes" like robbery, assault, and blocking traffic is "good policing". Because yes you also argued that the robbery was a minor theft and shove of the store clerk.
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Now you are being completely dishonest.

A minor crime of theft and shoving a store clerk: Person should be charged with that crime. They should not be shot for it.

Walking in the middle of a residential street: not something any cop should waste his/her time on unless there was something additional involved.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
It sure seems to me that a lot of these sorts of racially charged incidents are actually caused and/or worsened by the racially obsessed narratives of the media and the hardcore Brown supporters. It's continually drummed into black youth that the racist white police are out to get them and they have no chance.
I saw a video recently, I think on LGF, where a black kid of about 10 or so was asking "am I next to be shot?" as if it's likely for a random 10 year old to get shot just for being black. What was interesting is that the little kid seemed to have figured out the right lines to get on TV. The racial outrage story sells so well!
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The images of guys on their knees with hands behind their head demonstrating together and shouting "I am Mike Brown!" were certainly eye-roll-inducing.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
It sure seems to me that a lot of these sorts of racially charged incidents are actually caused and/or worsened by the racially obsessed narratives of the media and the hardcore Brown supporters. It's continually drummed into black youth that the racist white police are out to get them and they have no chance.
I saw a video recently, I think on LGF, where a black kid of about 10 or so was asking "am I next to be shot?" as if it's likely for a random 10 year old to get shot just for being black. What was interesting is that the little kid seemed to have figured out the right lines to get on TV. The racial outrage story sells so well!
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I don't think the media caused the fire here. The relationship between the police and the citizens of Ferguson had been smoldering long before and it was the shooting of an unarmed teenager that fanned the flames.

Same with the people who see the coverage as biased. No, the coverage is of what happened and people don't like the fact their world is not what they believe it to be.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
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Now you are being completely dishonest.

A minor crime of theft and shoving a store clerk: Person should be charged with that crime. They should not be shot for it.
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A) It has been pointed out numerous times - theft and shoving the clerk is a felony. You continuing to refer to it as a minor crime is what is dishonest here

B) Again with the strawman ... no one is claiming brown should have been shot for the theft

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Walking in the middle of a residential street: not something any cop should waste his/her time on unless there was something additional involved.
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Slowing down and rolling down the window to tell them to get out of the road must have only take 10 seconds or so. Why not take the time to enforce the laws - broken window theory, etc.
 
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Care to explain why you ran down all those people, with a fleet of black sedans, just to prove a point?
 
Lerxst said:
In your opinion...and its interesting how you have no problem overstating the actions of the police while simultaneously understating the actions of Brown and Johnson. Wilson was "hassling" them while Brown and Johnson were doing nothing wrong. It is quite clear you are hopelessly biased.
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My take is that two people on an ego trip collided. One of them was Brown, the other was officer Wilson. Wilson gets in Brown's face to show him who is the boss. Brown loses his temper and throws a punch. Wilson responds by pulling out his firearm and shooting at the retreating Brown. Brown raises his hands in surrender and Wilson goes for the kill.

If Wilson shot Brown after Brown raised his hands to surrender, this isn't a justified homicide.
 
Wolrab said:
I don't dismiss what the eyewitness believe to be what they saw. I just know perceptions may not agree with reality. Brains are funny that way.
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And yet a dozen people in this thread dismiss three eye witnesses with similar accounts that are consistent with the autopsy and audio recording of the shots,...

while latching on to a vague account from further away that isn't completely contradictory to the three accounts, a third or fourth hand account by "Josie" if that, a Twitter claim there are a dozen witnesses who back Wilson's account when we aren't even sure what that account is, and a fake report from anonymous sources that Wilson was "seriously beaten" "nearly unconscious" suffering a facial fracture when we can see him in no obvious physical distress pacing around Brown's dead body.

I don't have to jump through hoops to draw the conclusions I've drawn.

Drawing the conclusion Wilson was justified in shooting Brown, you've got to tweak the one witness' version, contrive the bull rushing Wilson position to make the head shots fit the scenario, discount 3 witnesses as unreliable (while accepting the one as if it were some great revelation), and justify Wilson's initial action confronting two young men walking in the middle of a residential street by ginning that street up as some busy boulevard.

Oh yeah, and you have to make Brown a violent felon for stealing cigars and pushing the store clerk. Can't forget the black thug narrative.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Again, please pay attention, I said 20 or 28 feet wide is still a narrow residential street.
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After arguing ad-nauseam that the street couldn't be much more than 20 feet, and continuing to argue when shown evidence it was at least 25....


Walking in the middle of a residential street: not something any cop should waste his/her time on unless there was something additional involved.
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Says you.

Walking in the middle of the street got Brown killed..
 
Mike! said:
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Care to explain why you ran down all those people, with a fleet of black sedans, just to prove a point?
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I think it confirms my estimate. Maybe the street is 24 feet wide. Anything under 28 feet doesn't change the actual issue, it was a residential street most cops would not bother telling anyone walking in to get out of.

BTW, I did get a chuckle out of the joke. :)
 
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I can't imagine the police allowing people to walk on that double yellow line.

I really can't.

The police in my town would not allow it.

If they saw me doing it, they would make me get out of the road.
 
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