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Michael Brown Shooting

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The Central Scrutinizer said:
Here's the street where I grew up. Note the lack of sidewalks and the lack of a double yellow line. We walked in the street, played whiffle ball, fuzz ball, kick ball, etc, in the street. If a car came by (likely doing 10 mph, tops), you moved out of the way.

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Here's the road two streets over. Note the double yellow lines, and the sidewalk. No one in their right mind would have walked down the middle of this street, much less played ball. Traffic would have been going 35-40 mph. If you were walking on this street, the police would have told you to get the hell out of the way.

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So the argument that it was somehow normal behavior for Brown and his friend to walk down the middle of Canfield Drive is idiotic.
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I have no doubt it was normal behavior for Brown et al. Other youths have done it to me, just moseying along, taking their half out of the middle, when there were sidewalks on both sides. I'm stuck behind them. They was dissing me fo sure. And you wonder why people can become racist. But I guess it was OK, they were almost home. I know that because it was a residential neighborhood.
 
It's just a teenager thing, walking wherever you want.
Though I don't know where the belligerence comes from; I didn't want any trouble (i.e. getting searched would have been a buzz kill) so when an officer yelled at me to get on the sidewalk I always said yes sir or ma'am and stayed appropriately low key.
 
That Michael Brown was a long way from being a model citizen,and that the Fergusion Police department is remarkably inept in dealing with the Black Communitry, could both be valid points is something a lot of people just cannot accept because it interferes with the ideologically motiviated narrative.
For a while even some mainstream Republicans (ie.not from the Rand Paul wing of the party) were saying we had to take a look at how police forces are using a lot of military gear they were getting, but that seems to have vanished in the usual bickering.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
It's just a teenager thing, walking wherever you want.
Though I don't know where the belligerence comes from; I didn't want any trouble (i.e. getting searched would have been a buzz kill) so when an officer yelled at me to get on the sidewalk I always said yes sir or ma'am and stayed appropriately low key.
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So it's nothing personal? Well ****, I've been running them over for all the wrong reasons!
 
dudalb said:
That Michael Brown was a long way from being a model citizen,and that the Fergusion Police department is remarkably inept in dealing with the Black Communitry, could both be valid points is something a lot of people just cannot accept because it interferes with the ideologically motiviated narrative.
For a while even some mainstream Republicans (ie.not from the Rand Paul wing of the party) were saying we had to take a look at how police forces are using a lot of military gear they were getting, but that seems to have vanished in the usual bickering.
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Yes.

Still can't get over the problem with jaywalking - I think the US should allow it unless causing an obstruction, they could use the offence of "Obstructing the Queen's highway" :boxedin:
 
casebro said:
I have no doubt it was normal behavior for Brown et al. Other youths have done it to me, just moseying along, taking their half out of the middle, when there were sidewalks on both sides. I'm stuck behind them. They was dissing me fo sure. And you wonder why people can become racist. But I guess it was OK, they were almost home. I know that because it was a residential neighborhood.
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Sure, it could have been "normal" behavior for Brown, but it's not normal behavior for civilized society.
 
dudalb said:
That Michael Brown was a long way from being a model citizen,and that the Fergusion Police department is remarkably inept in dealing with the Black Communitry, could both be valid points is something a lot of people just cannot accept because it interferes with the ideologically motiviated narrative.
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I think these are both valid points. I think that they go a long way towards explaining the shooting.

What I don't think is that either of them goes a long way towards determining whether the shooting was justified. I also don't think the evidence provided so far helps much in determining that.

For a while even some mainstream Republicans (ie.not from the Rand Paul wing of the party) were saying we had to take a look at how police forces are using a lot of military gear they were getting, but that seems to have vanished in the usual bickering.
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I wholeheartedly agree that we have to take a look at how police forces are using military gear. Thank you for taking the time to bring this point back out from the background noise of the usual bickering.
 
dudalb said:
That Michael Brown was a long way from being a model citizen,and that the Fergusion Police department is remarkably inept in dealing with the Black Communitry, could both be valid points is something a lot of people just cannot accept because it interferes with the ideologically motiviated narrative.
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I'm of the opinion that both are true.

It's also entirely probable that the shooting of Michael Brown was 'clean' and that the Ferguson Police Department is remarkably inept at their jobs.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Seriously? This is what this thread has come to? Arguing over the width of a street?
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Not just the street. We also have the width/length of the cop's SUV to consider, as well as the caliber (width) of the bullets fired. We haven't yet delved into M. Brown's width, because, as mentioned previously, the autopsy report doesn't show an actual outline of his body; that's just a generic drawing. He was actually much thicker than implied by the autopsy diagram.
 
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