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Michael Brown Shooting

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ProBonoShill said:
If he wasn't so belligerent with the Paramedics at the jail or the medical staff at the hospital maybe his concussion wouldn't have been left untreated.
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I thought that aggressive behaviour was a moderately common symptom of concussion.
 
casebro said:
So did you spot the part about walking in the street and obstructing traffic while doing so?

Or the SOP that if there are no sidewalks it's ok to walk in the street- on the side facing traffic so you can see what is coming at you?
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You should walk (and bicycle) with traffic. Many people only look left when they are about to turn right. If you're walking the wrong way, those people might not see you and hit the gas when you're walking in front of them.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What original document?

Baden explained that the confusion came when the reporters misunderstood the fact the diagram is an anatomical diagram. It's not a reference as to how those limbs were oriented when struck.
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The one without the red mark.

The one that doesn't show a single mark on the back of the body.

The one signed by Baden and Parcells without a red mark.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think it would stick out less if we park it straight across the lane.

We already covered the angle, it's ~18 feet corner to corner.

If I cared anymore, I would put a Franklin on the road being between 25 and 30 feet wide. :D
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I'd take that bet too!

Some folks won't be convinced, even presented with evidence. It feels like I'm back in the 9/11 Forum!
 
Mike! said:
So we now know conclusively that Wilson cussed them, without doubt or question, we know it, right? When did this unimpeachable fact come to light, exactly?
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A non-established bit of data being trumpeted uncritically as fact: police are not to be trusted, only thieves.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I agree it's a teen thing. And I understand people would like on occasion to use expletives when someone is in your way in the street.

But when a police officer uses that tactic, it's going to have one of two reactions. Either an expletive back, or cowering in fear of the cop and getting off the street. Why use it? Why not politely ask and try for a non-confrontational approach? The polite approach would seem like more intelligent policing to me.
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Do you know for a fact that Officer Wilson was polite or not in telling the teens to move to the sidewalk?
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think it would stick out less if we park it straight across the lane.

We already covered the angle, it's ~18 feet corner to corner.

If I cared anymore, I would put a Franklin on the road being between 25 and 30 feet wide. :D
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FWIW, Google Earth seems to agree. I zoomed in to max with clarity and used the ruler tool (which I have found to be surprisingly accurate when I've checked it against dimensions I knew) to measure half a dozen spots in that stretch of road.

They uniformly came up about twenty eight ft. (a bit over five smoots). FOC to FOC. That would be in line with two twelve ft. lanes and two thirty in. C & G. (twenty four in. to FOC.)

I'm willing to go with that as "close enough" until someone gets out there with a measuring tape.

Now ... what does this tell us?
 
fess said:
Do you know for a fact that Officer Wilson was polite or not in telling the teens to move to the sidewalk?
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Didn't you get the memo?
It's an unquestionable truth that cops all shout irrepeatable and unimaginable rudities at respectful young law biding citizens whenever the opportunity strikes, especially if those same youthful citizens are so brazen as to dare to take their afternoon constitutional towards the midway of a designated double lane thoroughfare.
That really torques their nuts.
Everyone knows this instinctively at this point, to say otherwise deserves nothing short of open ridicule, and accusations that it's distinctly possible your mother dresses you funny as well.
So be warned.
:boxedin:

Now, where were we?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's also not perpendicular. If it were it would stick well into the other lane.

If it's 17 feet long, that street is not much wider than 20 feet. Unless one is hallucinating. :rolleyes:
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Or a carpenter.

If that SUV is 17 feet long, then that street is 24-25 feet wide. Unless one is hallucinating. Or ill-equipped to comment on the subject. :rolleyes:
 
quadraginta said:
FWIW, Google Earth seems to agree. I zoomed in to max with clarity and used the ruler tool (which I have found to be surprisingly accurate when I've checked it against dimensions I knew) to measure half a dozen spots in that stretch of road.

They uniformly came up about twenty eight ft. (a bit over five smoots). FOC to FOC. That would be in line with two twelve ft. lanes and two thirty in. C & G. (twenty four in. to FOC.)

I'm willing to go with that as "close enough" until someone gets out there with a measuring tape.

Now ... what does this tell us?
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That Mike Brown shouldn't have been walking down the centerline?

Incidentally, it appears as if Brown stayed in the middle of the road.

I wouldn't stay in the middle of the road if a guy was chasing me and shooting at me.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Skeletor said:
I still don't understand why they were walking in the street.
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Racist.
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:boxedin: Ya got me. :(

quadraginta said:
FWIW, Google Earth seems to agree. I zoomed in to max with clarity and used the ruler tool (which I have found to be surprisingly accurate when I've checked it against dimensions I knew) to measure half a dozen spots in that stretch of road.

They uniformly came up about twenty eight ft. (a bit over five smoots). FOC to FOC. That would be in line with two twelve ft. lanes and two thirty in. C & G. (twenty four in. to FOC.)

I'm willing to go with that as "close enough" until someone gets out there with a measuring tape.

Now ... what does this tell us?
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It says that this street is not necessarily a good place to walk on, considering there are sidewalks present. If they were walking in the street, for some unforseen reason (remember I mentioned all the shady trees along Canfield Drive) Wilson had a good reason to request they move over.

I wonder if Google Street View has a similar ruler...how extraordinary we have these tools at our disposal.

The Central Scrutinizer said:
Or a carpenter.

If that SUV is 17 feet long, then that street is 24-25 feet wide. Unless one is hallucinating. Or ill-equipped to comment on the subject. :rolleyes:
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:D
 
Funeral is not even over and already MSNBC and Fox News are exchanging potshots over their respective coverage of it.

The feud between them is amusing. For one to accuse the other of being heavily slanted and biases,is must about the worse case of "Mr Pot,Meet Miss Kettle" I have seen.
 
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dudalb said:
Funeral is not even over and already MSNBC and Fox News are exchanging potshots over their respective coverage of it.

The feud between them is amusing. For one to accuse the other of being heavily slanted and biases,is must about the worse case of "Mr Pot,Meet Miss Kettle" I have seen.
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MSNBC derided the way Fox News conducts their business for years, and I agreed... then they became so similar it was disturbing. Haven't watched MSNBC in years.
 
Here's the street where I grew up. Note the lack of sidewalks and the lack of a double yellow line. We walked in the street, played whiffle ball, fuzz ball, kick ball, etc, in the street. If a car came by (likely doing 10 mph, tops), you moved out of the way.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.503809,-90.304606,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sVOJozd8uhR_MYgwk16my2g!2e0!6m1!1e1

Here's the road two streets over. Note the double yellow lines, and the sidewalk. No one in their right mind would have walked down the middle of this street, much less played ball. Traffic would have been going 35-40 mph. If you were walking on this street, the police would have told you to get the hell out of the way.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.502311,-90.303927,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1swtr-28ge-fLF1FVFpzpamQ!2e0

So the argument that it was somehow normal behavior for Brown and his friend to walk down the middle of Canfield Drive is idiotic.
 
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