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Michael Brown Shooting

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Wolrab said:
Yup. Anyone associated with the health care system caught leaking without the consent of the patient is open to career ending repercussions.
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Any reports we hear, therefore, as to whether there was or was not an orbital fracture should be quite suspect.

It may very well be that Officer Wilson signed a consent form for this information to be freely disseminated. If he did not, I'd like to know who CNN's unnamed source is.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I've pretty much been in this thread from the beginning; at least I read through what had transpired before I joined, and I don't recall anyone claiming the convenience store incident was justification for shooting Brown..

Since you are making that assertion, it would be up to you to show that someone has made that claim...
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I was referring to the common strawman. Whenever the robbery is brought up we will see someone immediately assume that by pointing it out that we're justifying the shooting. It's happened over and over again, in fact only a few posts before I made this one it happened again.

The common counter to any mention of the robbery is:

1. It's not relevant.
2. How does it justify the shooting?

No one has made the claim listed in #2, that is precisely my point.
 
Mike! said:
Too bad we don't know a nurse or someone who would be willing to risk such extremes in order to simply be proven correct. :rolleyes:
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I am a registered nurse. The mother of my child once jumped on the back of a cop (I believe the police frown on that behavior) and was tazered. She was shipped off to the emergency room one floor down from where I was working. I soooooo wanted to look up her drug panel results as we were still in a custody dispute (I am the proud sole custodian of my boy and she is in county custody for possession and intent to sell heroin. I can't really blame her descent into drug use, after all, she couldn't have me...:cool:).

My fear of getting caught easily won out over my curiosity. The next night, another nurse told me the results.

I could see the temptation of leaking someone's records, but the risks far outweigh any benefit. There is good reason for HIPAA.

As for signing a release, records are only released to other health professionals and insurance companies. If he released them to a news group, we would have the reports out there already.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Does that not apply to Michael Brown?
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Not now..

It would have applied if he had ended up in court...


Lerxst said:
I was referring to the common strawman. Whenever the robbery is brought up we will see someone immediately assume that by pointing it out that we're justifying the shooting. It's happened over and over again, in fact only a few posts before I made this one it happened again.

The common counter to any mention of the robbery is:

1. It's not relevant.
2. How does it justify the shooting?

No one has made the claim listed in #2, that is precisely my point.
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Thanks for clearing that up.. I misinterpreted the direction you were going..
 
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Mrs' Wilson told a dear friend. No release needed.

And if that friend is married to a police officer of higher rank, there is your "source close to a high ranking police official".

eta, that scenario is more believable to me than the later leak that denies any fracture. That one could be a leak fro,m the initial exam, but Mrs Wilson would know about any subsequent medical findings.
 
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Wolrab said:
As for signing a release, records are only released to other health professionals and insurance companies. If he released them to a news group, we would have the reports out there already.
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But there are reports "out there" already. There are reports that he suffered an orbital fracture, and there are reports he did not. I'm so confused.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's about the same amount of straw that if we don't think a shove and minor theft is evidence of a propensity to attack a cop or charge at one in a drug crazed state, we must believe the store theft and threatening the clerk are excusable behavior.
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So if you don't think it's excusable then why do you keep attempting to excuse it? You have continually tried to argue that even though the video clearly shows what is legally defined as a strongarm robbery that's it's just a minor theft and shove of the store clerk.
 
Dumb All Over said:
But there are reports "out there" already. There are reports that he suffered an orbital fracture, and there are reports he did not. I'm so confused.
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ABC and Fox say "yea" and CNN says "nay." The extent of Wilson's injuries would paint a better picture of the pre-shooting scuffle. I suppose it depends on where their source is, who is privy to the details. So, join the club!
 
Dumb All Over said:
Citation, please. (Apologies if this has already been discussed in the thread.)
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Prosecutors have not spoken to Darren Wilson yet


A family friend of Wilson’s told The Washington Post that Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket. Ferguson police have said that Wilson’s face was injured and he needed medical treatment, but they did not go into any detail. On Wednesday night, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III told Fox News that he could not confirm reports that Wilson suffered a fractured eye bone.
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Kaosium said:
This is his exclusive MSNBC interview from August 12th, it was my understanding he was laying low until then, the piece says he's not even been interviewed by police as of this interview. Do you have any reports of Dorian Johnson before this exclusive MSNBC interview?

The youtube was posted on August 10th.
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It would be nice to have a Dorian Johnson timeline. :)

So, what if the guy in the video got everything from Dorian Johnson right after the shooting, protected his source by leaving him out of his story except for the "homeboy" reference, then Dorian changes his story for some unknown reason when he goes public with it? That would be one way of explaining why both ends of the YouTube narrative didn't match Dorian's.
 
Wolrab said:
I am a registered nurse. The mother of my child once jumped on the back of a cop (I believe the police frown on that behavior) and was tazered. She was shipped off to the emergency room one floor down from where I was working. I soooooo wanted to look up her drug panel results as we were still in a custody dispute (I am the proud sole custodian of my boy and she is in county custody for possession and intent to sell heroin. I can't really blame her descent into drug use, after all, she couldn't have me...:cool:).

My fear of getting caught easily won out over my curiosity. The next night, another nurse told me the results.

I could see the temptation of leaking someone's records, but the risks far outweigh any benefit. There is good reason for HIPAA.

As for signing a release, records are only released to other health professionals and insurance companies. If he released them to a news group, we would have the reports out there already.
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Thanks for your input. For a moment, I thought we might know each other. I know someone who's daughter also jumped on a policeman's back once, and you are correct, they do frown on that activity, at least when it's uninvited.
With all that said, it's worth noting, there was another nurse I had in mind.
 
Skeletor said:
ABC and Fox say "yea" and CNN says "nay." The extent of Wilson's injuries would paint a better picture of the pre-shooting scuffle. I suppose it depends on where their source is, who is privy to the details. So, join the club!
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If either report is true, and if the officer did not give permission to disclose, then, hmm, well, hmm...

I guess one of the scenarios must be true. He either has an orbital fracture or he does not. How the reporting agencies came upon this information and, given HIPAA laws, why they decided to report it is interesting to me. I must wonder if reporting such might not be a violation of law.
 
A St. Louis County Police Department officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told WND that department reports confirmed Wilson suffered a broken eye socket in a struggle with Brown before the shooting.

“For Michael Brown to fight the police officer and try to take his gun away and then to say, ‘Don’t shoot me,’ that’s resisting arrest, and it’s a felony,” he said. “All you have to do is touch the officer’s gun and you’ve committed a felony.”
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http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/officials-brace-ferguson-for-exoneration-of-officer/
 
GWCarver said:
It would be nice to have a Dorian Johnson timeline. :)

So, what if the guy in the video got everything from Dorian Johnson right after the shooting, protected his source by leaving him out of his story except for the "homeboy" reference, then Dorian changes his story for some unknown reason when he goes public with it? That would be one way of explaining why both ends of the YouTube narrative didn't match Dorian's.
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My suspicion is that the 'tale grew in the telling of it' which is hardly uncommon, in fact probably more common than stories being repeated (more or less) verbatim. So let's say this guy is either at the Ferguson Market and/or he knows Dorian Johnson and got the first--accurate--part of the story from him. Possibly he's a witness to part of the incident too, who knows?

However think about Dorian Johnson's story, after the gun goes off (by the door) he ducks and covers and at that point probably can't see what's going on as he's ducking and covering and all. Then he has Big Mike telling him to run--to get out of there--and if Josie's account is correct Big Mike starts yelling at Officer Wilson too. So Dorian runs, and he's not seeing what really went on, maybe looks over his shoulder at some point. Perhaps he looks back after all the gunfire and sees Michael Brown who has slumped to his knees and then to the ground or something.

So how does Dorian Johnson tell guys like that one in the video anything bad about Michael Brown, who from his standpoint just took a half dozen bullets so he could get away? How could he? He may very think something like what he said happened, he just didn't see a lot of it because he was scared, ducking, covering and running. He tells the story to the guy in the video who makes his own additions.
 
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WND also reported a few years ago that:

As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues. Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992. Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no god except Allah.” Link
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Not a great source. For anything.
 
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