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Michael Brown Shooting

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Unabogie said:
It's pretty easy to imagine Wilson pulling alongside the two kids, opening his door into them to get out, then Brown shoving it closed, hitting his face (which would explain why Wilson could have been enraged enough to shoot Brown). It's also been the stories from all of the witnesses that they were "tussling" in the window of the car. Either scenario is consistent with what witnesses say.
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It could also explain why his poor marksmanship was only four or five times as good as the national average for cops.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Yup, just like George Zimmerman.

Ohwait...
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I'm not going to say that political pressure will push the issue one way or another, but Missouri is not Florida. St. Louis City is fairly liberal while the County, where Ferguson is, is more conservative. It's hard to assert that the political dynamic in the two cases are similar.
 
It seems the dispatch narrative is either inaccurate or I'm reading it wrong. The service call and disturbance call were very close in time:

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Skeletor said:
^^^This...and why would Wilson plug six shots into Brown's right side, instead of his center of gravity? There's a lot we don't know.
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That is the least mysterious part of the entire case. A right handed shooter, under time pressure, will tend to pull their shots to their left (due to the torque applied by their trigger finger, as their finger is not pulling straight back).
 
Ammonitida said:
She looked quite comfortable standing there holding up her hate sign in full view of other protesters. No media outlet ever reported this woman being confronted about it. You really expect me to believe that there's a possibility that someone in that crowd told her to go home?
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Here, I'll restate your extraordinarily biased nonsense into concise reality:
Ammonitida translated said:
Based on my impressions of a 30 second news clip, I disregard all black eye witnesses.
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To answer your question -- yes, of course.
 
Lerxst said:
But why do some people claim its not relevant and that it's somehow a justification for shooting Brown? Both are clearly not true.
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The police chief stated that Wilson did not stop Brown and Johnson about the robbery but because they were jaywalking, although the chief clarified that Wilson had heard about the robbery and quickly realized that Brown might be the culprit:

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.
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Some have incorrectly asserted that Wilson had no idea at any point during the incident that Brown was involved in the robbery and that therefor it is irrelevant.

Certainly the robbery itself is not sufficient reason to gun down Brown. But it may be indicative of Brown's state of mind. One of the claims made by Wilson's supporters is that Brown came back at him. We can see in the video that Brown did in fact do just that to the store clerk who confronted him at the door. I'm not saying that would be allowed in a courtroom (I don't know) but it's certainly worth considering on a forum.
 
Brainster said:
Zimmerman was tried for murder (second degree).
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Okay, "charged", not "convicted". My mistake.

One point somebody brought up was that if an African-American man had shot somebody down in the street like this, they would be in jail right now, not chilling at home like Wilson is. Is this not correct?

dudalb said:
A little out of the loop on this, are we?
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Perhaps so. Do you think that robbing a convenience store is a valid reason to gun somebody down in the street? Or only if they are a "large black man, acting in a threatening manner"?
 
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Axiom_Blade said:
Okay, "charged", not "convicted". My mistake.

One point somebody brought up was that if an African-American man had shot somebody down in the street like this, they would be in jail right now, not chilling at home like Wilson is. Is this not correct?



Perhaps so. Do you think that robbing a convenience store is a valid reason to gun somebody down in the street? Or only if they are a "large black man, acting in a threatening manner"?
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It will all depend on whether he attacked the officer. There's a step between robbing the store and bullets fired and we don't know what that step will look like yet.
 
Upchurch said:
Eye witness testimony is notoriously prone to error, whatever the situation and they contradict each other on important details.
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The great myth of crime dramas is that any small discrepancy in two witness accounts is proof that at least one is a liar. But reality is that we reconstruct most of the details of an event when we recall a memory. Stage an event in front of 10 people and you will get 10 versions of exactly what happened.
 
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What's that study where they show students a group throwing a basketball from one to another, a guy in a monkey suit walks through the shot, and people can't recall seeing that happen because they were concentrating on the basketball?
 
Monketey Ghost said:
What's that study where they show students a group throwing a basketball from one to another, a guy in a monkey suit walks through the shot, and people can't recall seeing that happen because they were concentrating on the basketball?
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The Invisible Gorilla.


ETA: With explanation and extra gorillas.
 
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