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Michael Brown Shooting

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dudalb said:
That Jim Hoft would attempt such an easily detected fraud proves he might well deserve what "The Wonkette" calls him"Stupidest Man On the Internet.
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I can't figure out who's stupider, Jim Hoft or the ones who thought he faked the image when it clearly said (File Image) beneath the picture. ;)
 
Skeptical Greg said:
But you felt it relevant to go " neener, neener, neener " with an obviously fake image...

Did you think we all fell for that ?
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Wait, what? What the hell are you talking about? When did I post a fake image? Do you mean when I pointed out that Bikewer had bought into a false story? I thought that's what we're here for, to point out the bogus facts and get to the truth?

Oh, wait, I guess we're just here so some people can have their biases confirmed in a cozy cocoon of "dittos".
 
Elagabalus said:
He definitely altered it. As to why ...?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket
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I think the fact you can use the Wayback Machine for August 19th and find "(File Image)" below the picture shows that he wasn't trying to pass the image off as real medical records. That was a 'user error' and caught Charles Johnson, Ann Coulter and a number of people it appears.

I suspect the guy who said it was probably so the U of I didn't have it taken down was most likely to be correct.
 
The dispatcher and 911 recordings from around the time Brown was shot might clear up some questions about this case. Why haven't these been released?
 
As a relevant aside, I anyways recognize the scan used for illustrative purposes in almost any news item about brain injuries, because it's always the same one.
I wonder if this is similarly a common-use image.
 
Unabogie said:
That image is a fake. There's so much effort out there to demonize Brown. I have to wonder why people are so invested in it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...l-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021
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I's a high profile case that is being discussed on the internet. Deliberate misinformation is bound to happen. Much like falsely attributing Facebook posts in an effort to demonize the police (and their families). I have to wonder why people are so invested in that.

The answer of course, is that is what some people do. The fact that they do that, and which side is doing it, has little bearing on the truth of the matter.
 
boooeee said:
I's a high profile case that is being discussed on the internet. Deliberate misinformation is bound to happen. Much like falsely attributing Facebook posts in an effort to demonize the police (and their families). I have to wonder why people are so invested in that.

The answer of course, is that is what some people do. The fact that they do that, and which side is doing it, has little bearing on the truth of the matter.
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Fair point, but I was clear that I wasn't vouching for its authenticity. And I didn't argue when it was debunked.
 
Kaosium said:
I hate anonymous sources. Sometimes they turn out to be right, of course, but it's always better if there's a name to go with it in my opinion.
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I think the "friend" in the Washington Post story is the same source who first detailed Officer Wilson's story in an anonymous twitter post. This person first mentioned the facial swelling, long before the police chief confirmed it. He/she also claimed that his eye had later swollen shut, and now the CNN source is claiming that Wilson had swelling around his eyes. Perhaps his injury grew worse in appearance after his first visit to the hospital, and so he had a second look, and this time the doctor found a fracture that was missed in the initial X-RAY (and the CNN source is unaware of this)?
 
Ammonitida said:
I think the "friend" in the Washington Post story is the same source who first detailed Officer Wilson's story in an anonymous twitter post. This person first mentioned the facial swelling, long before the police chief confirmed it. He/she also claimed that his eye had later swollen shut, and now the CNN source is claiming that Wilson had swelling around his eyes. Perhaps his injury grew worse in appearance after his first visit to the hospital, and so he had a second look, and this time the doctor found a fracture that was missed in the initial X-RAY (and the CNN source is unaware of this)?
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That would be hilarious in my opinion! I kinda doubt it though, CNN is probably a better source than a website I'd never heard of until this issue that apparently has a reputation for publishing unreliable information that we likely just saw an example of.

Anyone remember when Drudge used to put the siren on top for his 'big breaks'? Those were significantly more misses than hits as I recall, some of them utter nonsense. It got to the point if I saw the siren I associated it bilge.
 
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Unabogie said:
I thought this was about the truth of why and how Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown, not whether or not he was a nice guy or stole cigarellos in an unrelated event? Michael Brown could have just come from a baby eating feast in which he topped off his meal with puppy and kitten gravy, and the relevant question is still whether or not Darren Wilson was justified in killing him when and how he did.
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I do have to disagree slightly in your assessment here and the reason for that is that it does go to speak to the state of mind of the individual. Brown had just left a situation where he was man handling a shopkeep, his adrenaline is no doubt pumping a bit, and having been victorious in whatever it was he was trying, he was probably feeling a bit cocky and self assured.

The officer, on the other hand, had just come from a call dealing with a sick individual. Probably didn't have a lot of adrenaline pumping as he hadn't just been in a confrontation with another person.

If we're going to analyze the situation let's at least throw "mental state" into the mix. I, as others, have been arrested, jailed, etc. I have also been in a few fights in my day. Once everything gets pumping it's hard to shut it off. The altercation with Officer Wilson was within 10ish minutes from the incident at the shop, that's not a lot of cooling down time.
 
Unabogie said:
I thought this was about the truth of why and how Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown, not whether or not he was a nice guy or stole cigarellos in an unrelated event? Michael Brown could have just come from a baby eating feast in which he topped off his meal with puppy and kitten gravy, and the relevant question is still whether or not Darren Wilson was justified in killing him when and how he did.
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You are right about the point, wrong about the relavence.

"Was the officer justified?, or did he commit a crime?" Is the point. It is as if the thread is a trial of the officer.

It is logical from there to go to " if he was under threat of violent attack, he may have been justified ". Bring in evidence of applicable laws.

Next, if he is justified based upon being under threat of violent attack, bring in evidence that he was attacked. Part of that evidence might include- " is there anything that indicates Mr. Brown might be more, or less likely to attack someone?". (Just as relavent BTW as evidence that Officer Wilson is a bit more violent than your average bear- but none of that has yet been uncovered ), bring in tape of Mr. Browns behavior that very afternoon.
 
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