Michael Brown Shooting

[Mike!]

Michael Bloom, the teen in your avatar, was a reporter for the fictional Bloom Count Beacon in Breathed's original Bloom County strip. When confronted with some questionable reporting, the question would always be resolved (after consulting Opus) with some bombastic headline. Whenever Senator Whomever denies the physical altercation with his wife and points out that he was on a trip to wherever, the headline is Senator Abandons Wife. It's funny in the context of this meta discussion about reportage.

The Gateway Pundit issue was that the orbital fracture allegation was first released by them. It is a somewhat partisan site. The last two-or-three pages contain those exchanges.

I suspect you conflated Milo Bloom with Michael Binkley. I loved that strip.

You're not alone.

Man do I miss that comic. Bloom County was beyond awesome. It was awesomely awesome.

 

[pakeha]

Skepticism is fine. However, there are legal issues involved with discussing any medical matter, which may be why nobody is willing to speak on the record.

I am not saying the report is true; unlike Ginger, I am not saying it is false based on four lines of evidence.

Agreed about the legal issues. Time will tell about the truthiness of the injury.

Agreed.

I suspect the lawyer appearing on Oprah was the lawyer's idea.

I'd put money on that, Ladewig.

 

[Cylinder]

I suspect you conflated Milo Bloom with Michael Binkley. I loved that strip.

Sorry, it's been what...close to 30 years? Milo is correct.

The Gateway Pundit was not the ultimate source of that story, they sourced it to a radio station: Viper 100.7.

I thought the Viper claim was about Johnson recanting an earlier statement. I read the Gateway Pundit story and he asserts that he was the one with sources.

The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

But knowing that a suspect will certainly commit robbery and burglary at some future date cannot be used as a factor in determining whether the LEOs actions were correct or incorrect.

Agreed. Which is why I never suggested as much.

To be honest, due to the nature of discussions around here, I was going to remove my post to avoid a derail shortly after I posted it. But since it was quickly quoted, I decided to leave it up.

And even if it could and should be a factor, the death penalty is not appropriate for robbery and burglary. Or did your future speculation involve Brown murdering people?

I'd say it wouldn't strike me as unlikely that he would have killed someone in the future, if that's what you're asking.

 

[dudalb]

Skepticism is fine. However, there are legal issues involved with discussing any medical matter, which may be why nobody is willing to speak on the record.

I am not saying the report is true; unlike Ginger, I am not saying it is false based on four lines of evidence.

When we see a Doctor's report I will believe it. I never said the story was false,what I did say and stand by is that Gateway is a unreliable and untrustyworthy source because of it's obvious bias in the case . And,frankly, the same applies to Fox News,although Fox News not as out there in La La Land as Gateway is.

 

[dudalb]

You're not alone.

Man do I miss that comic. Bloom County was beyond awesome. It was awesomely awesome.

My favorite Bloom Counry Headline:

"NBA GAME CANCELLED! ENTIRE TRAILBLAZERS TEAM IN JAIL!".

Ah, the good old days of the Portland Jailblazers...

 

[johnny karate]

Your first and second points contradict each other a little bit.

None of the witness statements have been released.

Point taken, but they've been released through the media. How that reconciles with any official statements they might have given authorities, I don't know.

However, they are at the very least firsthand accounts, something sorely lacking from the other side.

 

[Kaosium]

Sorry, it's been what...close to 30 years? Milo is correct.

'Set phasers on kill Mr Chechov!'

'Peel back foil to expose tater tots'

'That toilet bowl is going to look damn silly on your wall son.'

I thought the Viper claim was about Johnson recanting an earlier statement. I read the Gateway Pundit story and he asserts that he was the one with sources.

The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown.

I stand corrected, thank you. I got the autopsy mixed up with Wilson's injuries as I'd been going back through that radio site after seeing the other link from Gateway pundit sourced there and was verifying Viper's claims to having a source close to the investigation.

 

[boooeee]

Michael Bloom, the teen in your avatar, was a reporter for the fictional Bloom Count Beacon in Breathed's original Bloom County strip. When confronted with some questionable reporting, the question would always be resolved (after consulting Opus) with some bombastic headline. Whenever Senator Whomever denies the physical altercation with his wife and points out that he was on a trip to wherever, the headline is Senator Abandons Wife. It's funny in the context of this meta discussion about reportage.

The Gateway Pundit issue was that the orbital fracture allegation was first released by them. It is a somewhat partisan site. The last two-or-three pages contain those exchanges.

Ah. The Michael/Milo confusion threw me (my favorite: Milo's election day "health feature": WARNING: VOTING FOR BEDFELLOW MAY CAUSE HERPES).

My issue with Skeptic Ginger's Gateway Pundit mention was her following statement:

Nothing new and then they carefully report "as reported by Gateway Pundit" instead of claiming any attempted vetting of the claim.

There was no mention whatsoever of Gateway Pundit in the article I linked to. And the section I quoted very clearly stated that Fox News had their own source for this. It's as if she was reading something completely different from what I linked to.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So now it's "badly beaten".

You guys need to give up. Should we go back to discussing the KKK fundraising for Wilson and the chief's wife posting racist comments on her FB page?

 

[Cylinder]

One item of interest is that the FNC injury source seems to contradict the Josie narrative provided earlier this week.

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move,” the source said. “They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.

In that narrative, Wilson is still enforcing the jaywalking warning.

In the Josie narrative, Wilson is making contact in reference to the strong arm robbery.

So he [Wilson] said that they [Brown and Johnson] were walking in the middle of the street, he rolled up and rolled the window down and said, 'Come on guys, get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back that they were almost where they were going. There was some cussing involved and he [Wilson] kept rolling up and he pulled over. I beleive at that point he called for backup, but I'm not sure. I know he pulls up ahead of them, and he's watching them and he gets the call in that there's a strong-arm robbery and he gets a description and he's looking at them and they have something in their hands...

That's kind of a small conflict, considering both happened so close in time, but definitely one that needs to be resolved.

 

[LTC8K6]

So now it's "badly beaten".

You guys need to give up. Should we go back to discussing the KKK fundraising for Wilson and the chief's wife posting racist comments on her FB page?

Well, I don't know about the former, but the latter was debunked.

We will know in due time whether Wilson was badly beaten, or had a hangnail.

 

[Mike!]

So now it's "badly beaten".

You guys need to give up. Should we go back to discussing the KKK fundraising for Wilson and the chief's wife posting racist comments on her FB page?

What do ether of those things have to do with the shooting itself? Were the KKK or the chief's wife even present the day of the shooting?
I think you're the one running out of straws to cling to.

 

[LTC8K6]

One item of interest is that the FNC injury source seems to contradict the Josie narrative provided earlier this week.

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move,” the source said. “They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.

In that narrative, Wilson is still enforcing the jaywalking warning.

In the Josie narrative, Wilson is making contact in reference to the strong arm robbery.

So he [Wilson] said that they [Brown and Johnson] were walking in the middle of the street, he rolled up and rolled the window down and said, 'Come on guys, get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back that they were almost where they were going. There was some cussing involved and he [Wilson] kept rolling up and he pulled over. I beleive at that point he called for backup, but I'm not sure. I know he pulls up ahead of them, and he's watching them and he gets the call in that there's a strong-arm robbery and he gets a description and he's looking at them and they have something in their hands...

That's kind of a small conflict, considering both happened so close in time, but definitely one that needs to be resolved.

Again it fits pretty good, though. Wilson begins to drive off after the initial encounter, hears the radio call, and backs up to look the two over again, notices the cigars, starts to arrest Brown...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Ah. The Michael/Milo confusion threw me (my favorite: Milo's election day "health feature": WARNING: VOTING FOR BEDFELLOW MAY CAUSE HERPES).

My issue with Skeptic Ginger's Gateway Pundit mention was her following statement:
There was no mention whatsoever of Gateway Pundit in the article I linked to. And the section I quoted very clearly stated that Fox News had their own source for this. It's as if she was reading something completely different from what I linked to.

Since it's only remotely possible they changed the story, I'm not sure what I misread. I may have conflated looking at several sources there since I was trying again to find some actual evidence here.

Now Fox claims "two inside sources". That could be anyone and certainly isn't reliable given we can see from the videos Wilson was not badly beaten, you still have only the chief's report he had a facial injury, certainly not "he was badly beaten". How did one punch turn into badly beaten?

Then of course there is the absence of any hand injuries other than the gunshot on Brown according to the actual autopsy report by Baden.

Feel free to continue with your wet dream here though.

You can see Wilson's injuries are not serious in the videos. The chief said swollen face or something to that effect and the only other thing we have are known right-wing liars as sources there was anything thing worse.

But go on, keep stepping in it. I'm sure we'll eventually get a report of a minor injury and we may or may not have any more evidence Brown got a swing in.

 

[LTC8K6]

What do ether of those things have to do with the shooting itself? Were the KKK or the chief's wife even present the day of the shooting?
I think you're the one running out of straws to cling to.

Well, the Chief's wife story was fake, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Unabogie]

So, according to "law enforcement officials", Wilson did, in fact, shoot at Brown while he ran away.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._Fired_at_Michael_Brown_as_He_Ran_Away#rss-sm

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials.

So I thought the autopsy was some sort of death blow to the testimony from the witnesses who saw Wilson firing at Mike Brown's back. Seems that's exactly what happened. And we also know Wilson went running after Brown, since his body was found 35' from the SUV where everyone says Brown and Wilson scuffled. So why was Wilson firing at someone who was running away? Why did Wilson run far enough to meet up with Brown? Why, if brown was "charging" Wilson, was Brown's body not found close to the SUV? Why does this not fit in with exactly what the autopsy and the witnesses say?

Answer: it doesn't. But phony "skeptics" will pretend it does.

 

[Mike!]

Well, the Chief's wife story was fake, so it doesn't really matter.

Very good then, so we're only left with Wilson openly begging the KKK to raise money for him, right?

 

[LTC8K6]

Since it's only remotely possible they changed the story, I'm not sure what I misread. I may have conflated looking at several sources there since I was trying again to find some actual evidence here.

Now Fox claims "two inside sources". That could be anyone and certainly isn't reliable given we can see from the videos Wilson was not badly beaten, you still have only the chief's report he had a facial injury, certainly not "he was badly beaten". How did one punch turn into badly beaten?

Then of course there is the absence of any hand injuries other than the gunshot on Brown according to the actual autopsy report by Baden.

Feel free to continue with your wet dream here though.

You can see Wilson's injuries are not serious in the videos. The chief said swollen face or something to that effect and the only other thing we have are known right-wing liars as sources there was anything thing worse.

But go on, keep stepping in it. I'm sure we'll eventually get a report of a minor injury and we may or may not have any more evidence Brown got a swing in.

Again, you can't see the condition of Wilson's face very well in any video or picture. No reasonable person would say you could, imo.

You might be able to say there isn't a big bruise, and there isn't a bloody mess, but that's about it.

A beaten up face would take a while to bruise, and the video was shot almost immediately after the incident.

 

[boooeee]

Since it's only remotely possible they changed the story, I'm not sure what I misread. I may have conflated looking at several sources there since I was trying again to find some actual evidence here.

Now Fox claims "two inside sources". That could be anyone and certainly isn't reliable given we can see from the videos Wilson was not badly beaten, you still have only the chief's report he had a facial injury, certainly not "he was badly beaten". How did one punch turn into badly beaten?

Then of course there is the absence of any hand injuries other than the gunshot on Brown according to the actual autopsy report by Baden.

Feel free to continue with your wet dream here though.

You can see Wilson's injuries are not serious in the videos. The chief said swollen face or something to that effect and the only other thing we have are known right-wing liars as sources there was anything thing worse.

But go on, keep stepping in it. I'm sure we'll eventually get a report of a minor injury and we may or may not have any more evidence Brown got a swing in.

I'm not sure what I'm stepping in. You seem to be the only one in this thread expressing certainty over the extent of the officer's injuries. Where that certainty is coming from is anybody's guess.