Michael Brown Shooting

[Ammonitida]

Interesting.

Would that be the same report or testimony he filed in this case?

Hmm, let's see... 2011... 2014...

Nope, not the same.

Yet more reason to disregard his account (unless we're talking about his alleged new one).

 

[LTC8K6]

Well let's see, the Gateway Pundit eye socket fracture has run its course, let's go with a new unsupported right wing blogger claim.

Honestly, why are you guys posting this unsupported crap?

I already said all that about it...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I doubt the credibility of that site, but didn't I hear/read somewhere that Johnson had an outstanding warrant? I'm assuming it's not for a felony, or he would already be in jail, one would think.

You aren't keeping up.

He was in a jail, the city that filed the charges failed to get him so the jail he was in let him go. And he told the investigators about it at the first police interview.

It wasn't a conviction or even a failure to appear.

 

[Ammonitida]

Well let's see, the Gateway Pundit eye socket fracture has run its course, let's go with a new unsupported right wing blogger claim.

Honestly, why are you guys posting this unsupported crap?

It's from a radio station in the area.

Remember, several of the rumors favoring Wilson have turned out to be true. The facial swelling also started as a twitter rumor days before the police chief confirmed it.

And yeah, you're very worried.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Honestly, why are you guys posting this unsupported crap?

Wasn't 99% of stuff pretty rumorific especially when this thread first started?

We're all here because we're interested in discussing the possibilities of where this case will go, and none of us apparently has the patience to wait until a year from now when we can look at the final, official record of everything before doing so.

It's a big topic in the news now, and it's a developing story... we here in this thread are interested in discussing it from various angles while it's a big story.

Part of that is sharing unconfirmed stuff and then discussing how that would impact things if it turns out to be true.

I completely respect and acknowledge the right of those who are more inclined to side with Brown than the police officer, to do exactly this. "If it turns out these witnesses are right and the officer effectively just executed this kid who was clearly no longer a threat, that is awful and he should face prosecution" has been the central thrust of your side, right? That's a reasonable position and I don't begrudge you taking it. I also don't begrudge stuff like rumors he was kneeling down to surrender, or whatever else...

I might show my personal doubt of these things dismissively, but people certainly have the right to pass along what they're hearing and float it as a "if this is true..." type of thing.

 

[steve s]

It's Wilson. That's been pointed out elsewhere in the video where people who saw him do the shooting and CNN's closeup on the video identified him as Wilson.

I'm not denying it's Wilson. I'm just pointing out the fact that the image is of such poor quality that you can't even tell who it is, much less whether he's injured or not.

Steve S

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's from a radio station in the area.

Remember, several of the rumors favoring Wilson have turned out to be true. The facial swelling also started as a twitter rumor days before the police chief confirmed it.

And yeah, you're very worried.

What am I worried about?

Pretty sure on the day of the shooting the police chief said Wilson (not named at the time) was treated for a facial injury.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not denying it's Wilson. I'm just pointing out the fact that the image is of such poor quality that you can't even tell who it is, much less whether he's injured or not.

Steve S

Could you please make an effort to actually read my posts.

 

[LTC8K6]

Wasn't 99% of stuff pretty rumorific especially when this thread first started?

We're all here because we're interested in discussing the possibilities of where this case will go, and none of us apparently has the patience to wait until a year from now when we can look at the final, official record of everything before doing so.

It's a big topic in the news now, and it's a developing story... we here in this thread are interested in discussing it from various angles while it's a big story.

Part of that is sharing unconfirmed stuff and then discussing how that would impact things if it turns out to be true.

I completely respect and acknowledge the right of those who are more inclined to side with Brown than the police officer, to do exactly this. "If it turns out these witnesses are right and the officer effectively just executed this kid who was clearly no longer a threat, that is awful and he should face prosecution" has been the central thrust of your side, right? That's a reasonable position and I don't begrudge you taking it. I also don't begrudge stuff like rumors he was kneeling down to surrender, or whatever else...

I might show my personal doubt of these things dismissively, but people certainly have the right to pass along what they're hearing and float it as a "if this is true..." type of thing.

Well, the "crap" is not a big story in the news media.

I think even SG would give it a little consideration if it were a big story in the media.

 

[Ammonitida]

Here's the station that's reporting the new rumor, or "fact" as the station calls it.

https://www.facebook.com/1007TheViper/timeline?ref=page_internal

"For the record....WE broke the autopsy results ON SATURDAY NIGHT, RIGHT HERE. Every detail that WE reported, (6 shots, none in the back, marijuana etc) were all confirmed on Monday.
Our info has been right on, and I have no reason to doubt this. Is it a guarantee? No. That would be silly."

 

[marplots]

I might show my personal doubt of these things dismissively, but people certainly have the right to pass along what they're hearing and float it as a "if this is true..." type of thing.

Are you saying there isn't a racial component to this? Even after the autopsy report showed six shots to the blackside of Michael Brown?

 

[Ammonitida]

What am I worried about?

Pretty sure on the day of the shooting the police chief said Wilson (not named at the time) was treated for a facial injury.

Not according to my recollection. I saw the twitter post well before the confirmation by the police chief. It was posted on Gawker and of course, almost no one there believed it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Here's the station that's reporting the new rumor, or "fact" as the station calls it.

https://www.facebook.com/1007TheViper/timeline?ref=page_internal

"For the record....WE broke the autopsy results ON SATURDAY NIGHT, RIGHT HERE. Every detail that WE reported, (6 shots, none in the back, marijuana etc) were all confirmed on Monday.
Our info has been right on, and I have no reason to doubt this. Is it a guarantee? No. That would be silly."

You are late with that, and if you choke your way down through it, it gets weaker as it goes.

 

[LTC8K6]

That didn't happen.

Some sort of injury happened.

We've never heard what, exactly.

A "knockout game" attempt certainly isn't out of the question, but it's just speculation.

 

[stanfr]

Umm no I don't "capiche", please explain how anyone regardless of colour can participate in a present day protest while also being a "former slave".

I never said anything about protesting. "whites are former slaves" = "whites are members of a racial group formerly held as slaves" Does that help? I think you know darn well what i meant. Do you agree with Skeptic Tank's argument--that context doesn't matter?? That we can just arbitrarily reassign the races involved and then laugh when the 'liberal media' doesn't respond the same way?
Ridiculous. I hope you know how ridiculous it is, or you are walking on real thin ice.

 

[trustbutverify]

Initially, I was convinced this was a case of racially motivated police brutality. After seeing the store video, hearing the background conversation and seeing the stories of two witnesses begin to lose some footing, I don't feel as confidant in that conclusion.

 

[Brainster]

Clueless Governor Jay Nixon decides to fight fire with gasoline:

Second, a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued.

The democratically elected St. Louis County prosecutor and the Attorney General of the United States, each have a job to do. Their obligation to achieve justice in the shooting death of Michael Brown must be carried out thoroughly, promptly, and correctly; and I call upon them to meet those expectations.

Finally, once we have achieved peace in Ferguson and justice for the family of Michael Brown, we must remain committed to rebuilding the trust that has been lost, mending what has been broken, and healing the wounds we have endured.

Prosecution must be pursued?

 

[Skeletor]

Holy moly, it's a single shove and what appears to be menacing of some kind.

I cannot believe you think that was a significant level of violence.

It appeared, to me anyway, that Brown had his hand around the throat of the employee...is that not significant? Had Brown simply shoved the man out of the way with his arm or something, it would appear less significant.

If he was Yoda, he could have disarmed him with The Force.

My Yoda is armed with more than just The Force:

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I saw a posting on Facebook this evening, purporting to show Brown "paying" for his purchase, by leaning all the way across the counter. Now, I'm pretty sure I've been in hundreds (if not thousands) of stores in my life, and witnessed thousands (if not tens of thousands) of customers paying, and I don't recall a single one paying in anything but an upright position.

Unless they were in a wheelchair. Like the crippled neighborhood orphans Brown was helping.

Is this really true? Did he really help the orphans? I'd like to know more.

George Zimmerman is already our Humble Hero. Brown will have to find another moniker.

I wonder what our Humble Hero has to say about this current situation. I'd guess GZ has gone to ground since this became the lead story on the evening news.

The evidence of the medical report or multiple sources reporting on a medical report which would still merit an asterisk. Is it fair to mark your claim down as fraud?

My claim is that it is undetermined. I'm basing that claim on the lack of a medical report and the fact that the police have not released a fuller picture of the evidence.

This is also my opinion. I want to reserve judgement on all of this before we go either way.

Wasn't 99% of stuff pretty rumorific especially when this thread first started?

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Part of that is sharing unconfirmed stuff and then discussing how that would impact things if it turns out to be true.

I completely respect and acknowledge the right of those who are more inclined to side with Brown than the police officer, to do exactly this. "If it turns out these witnesses are right and the officer effectively just executed this kid who was clearly no longer a threat, that is awful and he should face prosecution" has been the central thrust of your side, right? That's a reasonable position and I don't begrudge you taking it. I also don't begrudge stuff like rumors he was kneeling down to surrender, or whatever else...

I just want information! I don't want to take sides on this situation, but comment on the slow trickle of evidence that is coming out. It's really frustrating though. I also agree with the highlighted portion, if Wilson really was a bad cop, he needs to pay the price.

 

[shuize]

I never said anything about protesting. "whites are former slaves" = "whites are members of a racial group formerly held as slaves" Does that help? I think you know darn well what i meant. Do you agree with Skeptic Tank's argument--that context doesn't matter?? That we can just arbitrarily reassign the races involved and then laugh when the 'liberal media' doesn't respond the same way?
Ridiculous. I hope you know how ridiculous it is, or you are walking on real thin ice.

Exactly. Any criminal defense lawyer that doesn't advise his black clients to answer "Because slavery" during allocution is really dropping the ball.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I also agree with the highlighted portion, if Wilson really was a bad cop, he needs to pay the price.

I sort of don't agree with it, I was merely just pointing out that it is a reasonable position I can respect others taking.

I think I'm possibly the one person in the thread who feels that if Brown assaulted the officer (especially if this was to the point of skull damage as is rumored) and attempted to gain control of the officer's service weapon, then the officer had every right to believe an attempt had been made on his life, and that a person who would try to kill a cop was a danger to society in general if he escaped... and I would support him gunning down Michael Brown even if Brown had been running away the entire time.

If Brown had gotten away and then forced his way into a nearby house owned by a black single mother, and had demanded she help him hide from the police there... but then the cops found out he'd gone in there anyway, and there had been a stand off... and Brown ended up with a knife to her throat in a hostage situation, and she ended up dead as a result... how many in that same community would've been going on and on about "are you serious? the cops had an opportunity to stop this man and knew he was dangerous and they let him get away?"