Michael Brown Shooting

[davefoc]

Is there a source for this[Wilson received call with information about suspects that matched Johnson and Brown]? The thread is moving fast, I may have missed it.

I heard it on the radio and I've heard the opposite. That narrative was my guess about what happened based on my guess about what information to trust. It is still looking like it's pretty close to what happened but as far as I know the authorities haven't released any substantive information beyond a few well known facts.

 

[trustbutverify]

Even with a gun, why kill him when they could just as easily incapacitate him?

They should teach these incompetent brutes martial arts. They cannot handle firearms responsibly.

Are you saying that cops should stop knife wielding criminals who refuse to release the weapon with "martial arts", or shoot them in the legs or something?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Why not? In the earlier gatewaypundit link the purported CT Scan of Wilson is a stock image.

The scan was clearly labeled as a " file image ", and used to illustrate an explanation of what a blowout fracture is.

No one claimed it was an actual scan of Wilson..


Do you really not see the difference?

 

[Elagabalus]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A



Johnson's account in one interview, of the shot at the car door.

Interestingly in Johnson's description he says when Wilson fired at him after he ran away " His hand immediately went in the air and he turned around to the officer, face-to-face"

His hand? Only one? Typo? There are a few in that article so maybe that's it. Perhaps if Brown was hit back in the car he had difficulty raising the other hand/arm?

The thick plottens ...

 

[LTC8K6]

Why not? In the earlier gatewaypundit link the purported CT Scan of Wilson is a stock image.

Of course it is. It's to show what the injury looks like.

The source didn't claim to have pics.

I think it backfires, though.

The pic is thoroughly underwhelming after you read "orbital blowout".

 

[varwoche]

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Pointing out that non-factual hyperbole is non-factual hyperbole merits criticism? I'd reflect on that if I were you.

 

[LTC8K6]

Interestingly in Johnson's description he says when Wilson fired at him after he ran away " His hand immediately went in the air and he turned around to the officer, face-to-face"

His hand? Only one? Typo? There are a few in that article so maybe that's it. Perhaps if Brown was hit back in the car he had difficulty raising the other hand/arm?

The thick plottens ...

Now we just need blood evidence to support a bullet wound at the car door.

It should also trace Brown's movements, and mark his positions with blood drops.

 

[shuize]

Are you saying that cops should stop knife wielding criminals who refuse to release the weapon with "martial arts", or shoot them in the legs or something?

Not trying to stop a knife wielding suspect with your bare hands is de facto proof of racism.

 

[jhunter1163]

I'm on permanent disability and my husband gets FMLA to take of me when needed. Not so sure about the maternity part, I know lots of people whose spouse or family member has FMLA.

FMLA is the name of the law. It basically says that you're allowed to take a leave for your own illness/incapacity or that of a family member, and your employer must make reasonable accommodation for such a situation.

Given that the reporter is a woman of a certain age, maternity seems the most likely explanation as to why she would be on FMLA (though not the only possible one).

 

[casebro]

If he only fired the six, and all are accounted for in the front/head, then he did not shoot at Browns back when he was fleeing.

If there are blood droplets beyond the point where the body ended up, then Brown was probably charging.

This stuff is known to the investigators.

 

[LTC8K6]

If he only fired the six, and all are accounted for in the front/head, then he did not shoot at Browns back when he was fleeing.

If there are blood droplets beyond the point where the body ended up, then Brown was probably charging.

This stuff is known to the investigators.

I suspect there may be no blood droplets supporting Johnson's claim.

 

[Mumbles]

Sorry, I won't follow any link to Gatewaypundit aka Jim Hoft aka the dumbest man on the internet. It doesn't matter whether or not he's right - he's entirely untrustworthy, in my opinion. Anything useful will be posted by other, more reputable sources.

 

[sadhatter]

By the way, for someone with an orbital blowout fracture, Wilson looks uninjured in the video of his pacing around at the scene.

CNN showed a close up of Wilson pacing around at the crime scene.

It's Piaget Crenshaw's: Interview and video clip

I think this is a still of Wilson at the scene.

CNN zoomed in, identified Wilson, and he was seen pacing near the body in the clip.

Between the single less than credible source, the fact no mainstream news outlets have picked up the story, and the fact Wilson is at the crime scene in videos without any obvious serious facial injury I think it's time to call the orbital fracture claim a fraud.

Man, i once got a spiral fracture from elbow to wrist, and dealt with it for a solid five days before going to the hospital. And I'm not exactly John Wayne, so I'm guessing a cop, the typeof who trend to be tough could logically be dealing with the injury pretty well immediately after the event.

 

[Distracted1]

Now we just need blood evidence to support a bullet wound at the car door.

It should also trace Brown's movements, and mark his positions with blood drops.

How likely is it that a bullet wound during the alleged struggle would not leave gunshot residue anywhere on Mr. Browns hands. As the independent medical examiner has stated there was none.

 

[sadhatter]

Still full of adrenaline, has a job to do, afraid, worried what other officers think, what onlookers think, trying to "man up" and ignore/downplay injury due to expectations of males and cops... and people have died before due to these sorts of "I'm fine, seriously I said I'm fine" type of reactions.

This.

Even gutta like myself who don't pride themselves on being tough can deal with an injury fairly will for a while when the adrenaline is flowing. I once broke a rib in a mosh pit, and while i didn't go back in the pit, i did stay for the concert, and only got it checked out the next day.

 

[12AX7]

I heard it on the radio and I've heard the opposite. That narrative was my guess about what happened based on my guess about what information to trust. It is still looking like it's pretty close to what happened but as far as I know the authorities haven't released any substantive information beyond a few well known facts.

Gotcha.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Ladewig]

Stumbling, surrendering, tripping, diving (like a football player lunges for an opponents chest to make a tackle), there could be a lot of reasons. T
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I would add cringing ( a common reaction to gunfire) and crouching (a common reaction to being shot at). And would say that either of those two actions could be added to anything on your list. Many, many possibilities.

 

[LTC8K6]

How likely is it that a bullet wound during the alleged struggle would not leave gunshot residue anywhere on Mr. Browns hands. As the independent medical examiner has stated there was none.

I don't know what condition the body would be in for the second and third autopsies.

Would it have been cleaned, for example, to do the County autopsy for the case? Or after that autopsy was done?

Or would the County ME leave the body as is, for the follow up autopsies?

Hopefully someone can answer that.

 

[casebro]

Uninjured?

That still you posted as evidence, looks like he was present at the uncovering of the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Of The lost ark...

Do you really expect to maintain any credibility you may have in this discussion, by suggesting that video is evidence Wilson was not injured?

If Nurse Ginger in anything like my Nurse Case-sis, she is used to seeing people seek treatment for hang nails.

In today's world too many people have Zero Tolerance for Drugs, Violence, Guns, a drop of blood. Members of my family get awarded medals of valor because we do not think that way. And funny thing, society doesn't seem to mind awarding those medals. But geeze, go out in public without a bandage on a zit and see them react. Of course they don't seem to mind their own peircings, but think my scarred knuckles from good honest work are gross. I've set a couple of my own broken bones, and ignored a couple others. And had an ER intern a decade later tell me that all those knicks in my shin bones had been compound fractures.

Ginger knows the world is full of crazies, she is a psych nurse IIRC. The world is also full of plenty of Damn-the-torpedos type guys.

 

[theprestige]

Exactly. It wasn't until the racist shopkeeper tried to enlist the orphan children in his criminal triad that Michael Brown got upset and left the store. He only returned to ask the shopkeeper to give his life to Jesus.

Be careful not to let the narrative get too far ahead of the facts. Remember what happened to those people who insisted Brown had been shot in the back?

For all you know, Brown could have been reaching across the counter to hand the shopkeeper a Chick Tract.