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Michael Brown Shooting

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Monketey Ghost said:
If true, has changed the situation quite a bit.

If true, anti-cop "It's just a little fracture" cued and ready for the dance floor.
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I just checked out the newsite that gave that report,and it seems to be a tea party site with a definant right wing bias..And that this is NOT being reported outside that website is setting off my B.S. detectors.
And, frankly, after chekcing out the comments sections to "Gateway" I am very supicious of that site just because of it's core readership,many of whom sound like they also post on "Stormfront".
Skepticism goes BOTH ways.
 
dudalb said:
I just checked out the newsite that gave that report,and it seems to be a tea party site with a definant right wing bias..And that this is NOT being reported outside that website is setting off my B.S. detectors.
And, frankly, after chekcing out the comments sections to "Gateway" I am very supicious of that site just because of it's core readership,many of whom sound like they also post on "Stormfront".
Skepticism goes BOTH ways.
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Indeed. Knowing all that, it's worthless until corroborated by a reputable source.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Unless you believe Wilson slammed the door on his own head, does it matter?
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Yes, because if it happened when Johnson said he tried to open the door & it ricocheted back, it would be more accident than attack. (Assuming the reports of the injury are accurate. )
 
This exercise in bad reasoning from Slate:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...pport_group_is_as_classy_as_you_d_expect.html

Message,anybody who supports Wilson is automatically a rascist.

Which he supports by cherry picking. OF course,given the nature of the case, some bigots are going to support Wilson. Just like some radicals are going to support the Brown Family.

And the outrage of the writer about "How Dare Anybody Support Wilson" is pretty outrageous.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
BenBurch said:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...m-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft
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No bias there..:rolleyes:
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The store owner must've had some reason not to report the robbery. Don't the insurance rates increase whenever a robbery is reported? I just disagree with the last paragraph, that the theft, and the manhandling Brown did to the employee was insignificant. If it were me, I'd be terrified.

Monketey Ghost said:
dudalb said:
I just checked out the newsite that gave that report,and it seems to be a tea party site with a definant right wing bias..And that this is NOT being reported outside that website is setting off my B.S. detectors.
And, frankly, after chekcing out the comments sections to "Gateway" I am very supicious of that site just because of it's core readership,many of whom sound like they also post on "Stormfront".
Skepticism goes BOTH ways.
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Indeed. Knowing all that, it's worthless until corroborated by a reputable source.
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Yeah, the comments echo many I read during the Trayvon Martin situation. I was horrified that people are capable of such inhumanity. I think if Wilson sustained those injuries, maybe someone would've come forward with the information already. Information about anything related to the Brown shooting is trickling out, but it's just that...a trickle.
 
Distracted1 said:
...Funny you didn't bring up the unreliability of eyewitnesses until someone posted a link that might indicate that there are numerous eyewitnesses who are ready to say Mr. Brown was the aggressor in this confrontation. ...
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Where are these witnesses. So far I've heard a ten minute long post-shooting video that does not contradict Johnson and Mitchell.

Jim_MDP said:
...Hasn't anyone asked... what if Brown was looking down at his shot-up arm at the time the final two shots struck?

Was there any trajectory info in the Baden briefing that would take that possibility off the table?
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Baden said they needed more information to draw such conclusions and they've not yet had access to the clothing, X-rays and evidence from the scene like bullet casing numbers and locations.

As for various reasons Brown had his head down, keep in mind the entry is at the very top of his head. That suggests bent completely down as in looking at the ground, not the arm.

But it doesn't matter because if he was looking down for any reason except the far fetched "bull-rushing" scenario, why keep shooting? Unless Brown had a weapon or really was bull rushing Wilson, Wilson's six shots were excessive force.

OneShotKi11 said:
Im sure this has been posted a million times, but here it is just in case. Video of witnesses not knowing they were being recorded moments after the shooting describing it to neighborhood people and their accounts of it match perfectly with the cops account of the story.
"Im thinking he missing, but the dude start running; kept coming towards the police."- 1:05 in the video

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
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I'd like to know what it is about that conversation that suggests Brown was not surrendering? The comment is only made that Brown was coming back toward Wilson. That is not in dispute.



Travis said:
...Exactly. The robbery was, and is, immaterial to the shooting. It was a huge diversion from actually relevant facts....
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Except for the circumstances of its release but that's a separate topic.
 
Skeletor said:
The store owner must've had some reason not to report the robbery. Don't the insurance rates increase whenever a robbery is reported? I just disagree with the last paragraph, that the theft, and the manhandling Brown did to the employee was insignificant. If it were me, I'd be terrified.



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I speculate that the store owner was afraid of getting targeted by local people for fear of what precisely did happen, wanton destruction of his store.

I'm sure he had to account for the loss of inventory somehow so my guess is he made a police report but declined to press charges, which is what I'd do in his place if I knew if I had to see the guy walk into the store again.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
But it doesn't matter because if he was looking down for any reason except the far fetched "bull-rushing" scenario, why keep shooting? Unless Brown had a weapon or really was bull rushing Wilson, Wilson's six shots were excessive force.
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Why do you keep insisting that Brown was looking down, or leaning over, or doing anything other than falling forward in a manner that exposed the top of his head to a bullet that was on it's way, as part of a group of bullets that were fired in rapid succession..

I agree that with hindsight the six shots were excessive, but at what point when Wilson decided to open fire, do you think he might have paused and thought, " OK, that last shot should do it.. "
It looks like number six was it...

It's absurd for you to suggest that between any of those shots that Wilson became aware that Brown was " looking down " ...
 
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Monketey Ghost said:
I'm sure he had to account for the loss of inventory somehow so my guess is he made a police report but declined to press charges, which is what I'd do in his place if I knew if I had to see the guy walk into the store again.
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Do you really think c-stores file a police report every time they are robbed?

In my city the police won't even come out unless the amount was in excess of $50 - not even to drop by and take a report. Nothing. I think your view of the c-store business is rather divorced from reality.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Do you really think c-stores file a police report every time they are robbed?

In my city the police won't even come out unless the amount was in excess of $50 - not even to drop by and take a report. Nothing. I think your view of the c-store business is rather divorced from reality.
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Either he just accepted the loss, or he made some kind of report about it. No need to talk about my marriage to reality.
Come, let us reason together.
 
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