Michael Brown Shooting

[newyorkguy]

The nurse may have walked up well after the shooting for all we know. The twitterers said the body was left there for a long time. The nurse may have come up after the paramedics had been there. When the police checked him initially, he may have still had a pulse and still been breathing. Since an ambulance was already nearby, CPR was not needed at that time.

You even invent a story to explain this? Unfortunately, in the aftermath of a police shooting there have been many times that the police DO NOT perform any type of CPR or first-aid.

Manuel “Stomper” Diaz was one of three young men who fled when approached by officers the afternoon of July 21. Although he was unarmed, Diaz was shot in the head. Private video of the aftermath of the shooting shows officers ignoring the mortally wounded Diaz — who, as one frantic witness shouted, was still alive — while they push back eyewitness and string up crime-scene tape. None of the officers rendered medical aid, and no effort was made to contact paramedics. Link

You can find dozens of stories like this if you look for them.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

At the minimum you speculate that you can't tell anything from the photo. You also speculate that Johnson was watching which is more than just being there. You speculate that Johnson's story is better than Wilson's friend but you don't really know that. Wilson's friend might have the truly accurate account but you can only speculate otherwise because you don't know.

Hearsay is not a guarantee of inaccuracy.

You guys do know Johnson told the FBI in the first interview that the video is of him and Brown, right? He's never denied it. The carton of cigarillos was found at the scene.

I'm not sure why anyone in this forum is even debating this. I'm not, however, surprised people in Ferguson are claiming the video is a conspiracy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I thought the doctrine was to do CPR if no detectable heartbeat until told otherwise by paramedics?

You mean the cops?

Resuscitation practices vary from department to department. Some police are not required by their departments to perform CPR at all.

In addition, in many districts a paramedic doesn't have the authority to declare death, but they usually have the authority to stop or not start CPR when death is clearly evident.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Are you speculating that Johnson was watching?

He said he got behind a car and saw Brown get shot.

 

[LTC8K6]

You even invent a story to explain this? Unfortunately, in the aftermath of a police shooting there have been many times that the police DO NOT perform any type of CPR or first-aid.



You can find dozens of stories like this if you look for them.

I call BS on your link:

http://www.orangecountyda.com/docs/manuel_diaz_ois_letter.pdf

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...
Are you speculating that he could have been shot in the back? Do you like speculating?

At least 2 witnesses said he appeared to have been hit in the back before he stopped and turned around.

Why is anyone debating this, the autopsy will answer the question.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Johnson made a few claims that can be dis-proven, thereby negating his whole testimony.

For one, the cop is bruised, meaning that Brown did more than just suffer a neck grab like Johnson said. He was probably holding the door shut on the officer's head.

Do we really think the officer pulled up so close to them that he could not open his door without hitting them, (bad form for a cop) like Johnson says, or was he several feet away, ( good form for a cop) getting out of the car, when Brown slammed it on him?

It's equally bewildering why the cop did not call for back up and order the suspect to the ground if he thought he was stopping a robbery suspect.

Take your pick of which bad decisions this cop apparently made you think are less plausible.

If there are no entry wounds to the back, all those witnesses that claim he was shot in the back are lying too, Johnson included. Dump there testimony.

They said Brown jerked like he was hit. No impeachment. In addition, who is it dumping the entire testimony over one flaw, the defense attorney or the jurors?

Hmm, I wonder if skinned knees would mean Brown was charging forward when he went down? Vs stationary, hands up, would crumple straight down? The body position seems consistent with a charge, head towards the cop car.

No, it does not. Where are you getting that from?

The location of the spent shells can tell pretty good where the officer was when he fired. If there was one that indicated the cop had advance, then retreated while still firing, that might mean he was being charged by a wounded bull.

So it seems to me there is potential evidence to mean we can not trust the "eye witnesses".

Likewise, the same evidence can corroborate stories- including the officer's.

I missed something, what is all this speculation about what might be found later based on?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

How about " violent felon "?

That seems pretty accurate based upon the video.

Holy cow, one little shove of the store clerk and some kind of threat walking toward him is your definition of violent felon?

What a distortion of reality that is. No wonder you are afraid of scary black men.

 

[LTC8K6]

Holy cow, one little shove of the store clerk and some kind of threat walking toward him is your definition of violent felon?

What a distortion of reality that is. No wonder you are afraid of scary black men.

That's amazing. The trivialization of a strongarm robbery.

No wonder the country is messed up.

Doesn't matter anyway. MO law says it's a serious felony.

 

[LTC8K6]

It was just a little threat and a shove. Let him have what he wants. Go back and cower in your corner and learn to take it.

 

[Distracted1]

Holy cow, one little shove of the store clerk and some kind of threat walking toward him is your definition of violent felon?

What a distortion of reality that is. No wonder you are afraid of scary black men.

Clearly you have a dictionary which has alternate definitions for the terms " violent" and " felon".
I am certain a video of an officer treating a suspect with such force would not cause your alarm bells to go off.

 

[Mike!]

Holy cow, one little shove of the store clerk and some kind of threat walking toward him is your definition of violent felon?
What a distortion of reality that is. No wonder you are afraid of scary black men.

I've seen Frosted Flakes with less sugar coating.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Clearly you have a dictionary which has alternate definitions for the terms " violent" and " felon".
I am certain a video of an officer treating a suspect with such force would not cause your alarm bells to go off.

Probably because officers are authorized to use force.
Again, it's bizarre watching people bend over backwards to excuse the violence the guy displayed so they can... what, enjoy the company of robbers and assaulters?
If your family owned that store, your tune would be in an entirely different key, and played on a larger instrument than a viola.

 

[pgwenthold]

It was just a little threat and a shove. Let him have what he wants. Go back and cower in your corner and learn to take it.

The store clerk was so threatened that he didn't even bother reporting it to the police.

 

[Mike!]

Gabby Giffords begs to differ.

"Generally speaking" agrees.

 

[dudalb]

I've seen Frosted Flakes with less sugar coating.

If it was cop shoving a demonstrator in exactly the same way, SG would be outraged.
The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

 

[Brainster]

Hearsay is worthless. Cling to it all you want, but it's still worthless.

In a strict legal sense, you are correct. However, we are not in a court of law here. This is the court of public opinion.

 

[dudalb]

ANd here come the conspiracy theoriesL

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-michael-brown-robbery-conspiracy-theory

The Ferguson county officials have shown themselves to be idiots,but even they would not be so dumb as to do something the would be so damn easy to detect.

 

[casebro]

It's equally bewildering why the cop did not call for back up and order the suspect to the ground if he thought he was stopping a robbery suspect.

Nobody says he did not call for back up. Some of our input describes a second cop on the scene before the "witnesses" got there. Some early speculation was that there were multiple cops/shooters. Cop #2 could very well have been in transit before shots were fired.*

SG, your speculation seems based on the premise that the "witnesses" could not possible be mistaken. My own speculation is whether there is physical evidence that could fit some stories, verify who is telling the truth, and clear up the mystery of murder vs self defense.

eta* in some neighbor hoods cops travel in pairs, two cars. Maybe Wilson knew his back up was only seconds behind him?

 

[Brainster]

What do you think was in the gun the officer was firing at Michael Brown? I'll answer my question...bullets, the gun in the officer's hand was firing bullets. Bullets are generally deadly if they hit vital organs, like a brain or a heart.

LOL! Thanks for clearing that up for us, Captain Obvious!