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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
I still don't see why anyone should recite any version as if it's factual...
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He wasn't, he was relating what Doran said in response to a charge that the story wasn't internally consistent.

If a shot was fired from 6 inches away, and more shots were fired from 3 or 10 feet away, this will be obvious during the autopsy.
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Indeed.
 
Unabogie said:
And yet this smaller police force has full riot gear, helicopters, HUMVEES, etc., so they can walk around like this:

But they can't afford a dash cam.

:rolleyes:
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I love how this police department marches through the streets with the black officers up front:



Primus said:
I thought it wasn't possible for government employees to don military outfits and start executing unarmed civilians because you've all got guns?
Have the 2nd amendment enthusiasts fallen asleep at the wheel or is it a case of waiting until the jackboots are on white necks?
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The hightlighted part definitely.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I still don't see why anyone should recite any version as if it's factual...

If a shot was fired from 6 inches away, and more shots were fired from 3 or 10 feet away, this will be obvious during the autopsy.
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I didn't say it was factual. I said it was factually the version as told by Dorin Johnson. It's apparent that casebro was reciting part of this claim as if it were some new revelation without taking the whole story as it was told.
 
Anonymous released the police audio. Here's the Twitter feed. Quick takeaways:

1. Ferguson PD claimed they didn't know what was going on but requested more units at the scene.

2. The police brought in their dogs before an EMS arrived for Brown.
 
Distracted1 said:
That is the claim of the department, anyway. Is there some reason I should credit the police officers claim less than that of the assailants companion?
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If I could para-phrase the drill instructor from Full Metal Jacket, based on the information I have so far all of these claims are equally worthless in my opinion.

Ranb
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm well aware of that side of the story. I purposefully talked about the events leading up to that point.

Do you think a cop tells some young men to get out of the street and one of the men attacks the cop? .....
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Until we have more info I'd rather not speculate.

Ranb
 
Unabogie said:
This remains to be seen. The issue is that whenever an unarmed black person is shot, such as Renisha McBride, or Jordan Davis, or Michael Brown, or Trayvon Martin, the claims of self defense always boil down to the proposition that black people are inherently violent and that white people with guns are justified in pre-emptive shooting.
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The Ferguson police have claimed that black people are inherently violent? I haven't heard this defense used by the police for this incident yet. How do you know it is true?

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
The Ferguson police have claimed that black people are inherently violent? I haven't heard this defense used by the police for this incident yet. How do you know it is true?

Ranb
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Your weak ass attempt at strawmanning me is so stupidly transparent, I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.

What do you get out of that? Are you patting yourself on the back, saying "HERR HERR, I GOT HIM GOOD?". What a weird mindset you have.
 
ravdin said:
Anonymous released the police audio. Here's the Twitter feed. Quick takeaways:

1. Ferguson PD claimed they didn't know what was going on but requested more units at the scene.

2. The police brought in their dogs before an EMS arrived for Brown.
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In the police's defense, EMTs are often not allowed to respond until a scene is declared safe.

Ranb said:
Until we have more info I'd rather not speculate.

Ranb
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Al Sharpton, (I know everyone's favorite), has just played one street witness' description of events next to clips of the friend's account and they match up very closely. The woman made her statement about the same time as the friend and I don't think they had any opportunity to collude. It's possible but the recorded interviews (via news media) were fairly close together.

Unabogie said:
I'm not sure if this is real, but allegedly the wife of the police chief wrote this on Facebook.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_567053ebe134d5de5.jpg[/qimg]

If so, it looks like she deleted it off her Facebook page once it started going around.

https://www.facebook.com/catherine.nardi.56?fref=ts

She certainly posts a lot of wingnut memes so the above quote seems in character.
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Wow! Why are people so stupid as to put that stuff on FaceBook?
 
Primus said:
I thought it wasn't possible for government employees to don military outfits and start executing unarmed civilians because you've all got guns?
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Gun ownership is somewhere around 27-35%. It's been steadily declining since the 1970s when it was around 50%. And of course gun owners are not necessarily carrying their guns at any given time, so that would drop the percentage considerably lower. I'm certain you didn't actually think that all American civilians carry guns, so I'm struggling to think why you decided to say it.

Have the 2nd amendment enthusiasts fallen asleep at the wheel or is it a case of waiting until the jackboots are on white necks?
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Waiting to do what?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In the police's defense, EMTs are often not allowed to respond until a scene is declared safe.

Al Sharpton, (I know everyone's favorite), has just played one street witness' description of events next to clips of the friend's account and they match up very closely. The woman made her statement about the same time as the friend and I don't think they had any opportunity to collude. It's possible but the recorded interviews (via news media) were fairly close together.

Wow! Why are people so stupid as to put that stuff on FaceBook?
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I think if you're stupid enough to believe that stuff, you're stupid enough to put it on FaceBook.
 
Ranb said:
Micheal Brown had a gun? Big words.

Ranb
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You know exactly what he's talking about; don't even pretend. Here is his comment in complete context:

Primus said:
I thought it wasn't possible for government employees to don military outfits and start executing unarmed civilians because you've all got guns?
Have the 2nd amendment enthusiasts fallen asleep at the wheel or is it a case of waiting until the jackboots are on white necks?
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So, where are the 2A-loving, anti-government tyranny gun guys on cases like this?
 
Dr. Keith said:
MG: Did you quote the wrong post? ehcks is not condemning so much as pleading that cops wear a simple device that will save their communities tons of money and grief, not to mention saving the cops tons of grief. Dashcams and uniform cameras are in the $100-$500 range, not crippling for a police force. Especially when compared to other gear they carry every day but rarely use. These devices save money and save reputations.

If this event had been recorded we would not have any of these riots. Either the cop would have been canned and maybe charged or the police would have released the film showing the attack. No competing narratives, no righteous indignation, no riot.

How much do you think these riots are costing the city of Ferguson? Do you want to say more or less than the cost of uniform and dash cameras for every vehicle and every officer?

Personally, my conservative side boils when cities penny pinch on simple things like this that can and will save money in the long run. I was actually happy when I was pulled over a while back and saw the camera on the cops uniform. It made me more confident that he was not lying about what he saw on his radar gun. It actually changed my mind about contesting the ticket even though I honestly believed I was going much slower than he cited me for.
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Exactly. It helps the cops, helps the public, saves money, I really can't see a downside to the body cams.
 
12AX7 said:
You know exactly what he's talking about; don't even pretend. Here is his comment in complete context:
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It appeared that he was suggesting that all Americans (including Michael Brown?) had guns.

Ranb
 
Unabogie said:
I'm not sure if this is real, but allegedly the wife of the police chief wrote this on Facebook.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_567053ebe134d5de5.jpg[/qimg]

If so, it looks like she deleted it off her Facebook page once it started going around.

https://www.facebook.com/catherine.nardi.56?fref=ts

She certainly posts a lot of wingnut memes so the above quote seems in character.
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This one was going around a few days ago, and as I recall, turned out to be just some random horrible person. No real reference for that, though - it was both circulated on, and disproven on, twitter.
 
Unabogie said:
Your weak ass attempt at strawmanning me is so stupidly transparent, I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.
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You claimed that the killing of Michael Brown means the claim of self defense always boil down to the proposition that black people are inherently violent. How about you provide evidence for that claim?

You continually offer up dubious claims and refuse to back them up with evidence. I'm not the one with the weird mindset.

Ranb
 
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