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Michael Brown Shooting

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Captain_Swoop said:
predictably the usual suspects among the rational thinkers and skeptical minds of the JREF members run around like headless chickens jumping to their usual conclusions on very little evidence.
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This.

The only thing I can add it the motive for rushing to conclusions....wanting to make the event fit a preconceived scenario that fits a political ideology.
 
Frank Newgent said:
Like many situations where somebody is tragically killed... somehow it seems like a gun takes an inordinate share of the blame.

It's not hard to imagine a scenario where a lunatic cop couldn't have done exactly the same with a blueberry-filled donut.
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Well, okay, but lots of unarmed black youths were tragically shot that week if I read the news correctly.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Frank Newgent said:
Like many situations where somebody is tragically killed... somehow it seems like a gun takes an inordinate share of the blame.

It's not hard to imagine a scenario where a lunatic cop couldn't have done exactly the same with a blueberry-filled donut.
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Well, okay, but lots of unarmed black youths were tragically shot that week if I read the news correctly.
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I think lunatic cops who want to kill a bunch of kids would have just done something else if they couldn't use a gun or a jelly-filled donut.

A police car is really easy for them to get and a lunatic cop could mow down a lot of unarmed young people.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Unabogie said:
What on earth does this have to do with the topic?
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Innocent and unarmed people are murdered every day without rioting.

2 guys carjacked an SUV in Philly, raped the owner, then ran over and killed 3 kids and their mother.

No riots.
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2 cops carjacked an SUV in Philly, raped the owner, then ran over and killed 3 kids and their mother?

See what I mean?
 
Frank Newgent said:
I think lunatic cops who want to kill a bunch of kids would have just done something else if they couldn't use a gun or a jelly-filled donut.

A police car is really easy for them to get and a lunatic cop could mow down a lot of unarmed young people.
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Nah, they have access to full auto weapons. Shirley that is a more satisfying way to demonstrate their power?
 
LTC8K6 said:
No, because one happens almost never, while the other happens nearly daily.
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I don't know if that's a fair characterization. A few unarmed young people being shot by the police every now and then isn't quite the same as daily.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Innocent and unarmed people are murdered every day without rioting.

2 guys carjacked an SUV in Philly, raped the owner, then ran over and killed 3 kids and their mother.

No riots.
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That's stupid. By the same logic, we should feel the same level of outrage if a terrorist blew up an American building than if the President ordered it? You don't think we have different levels of outrage when they involve betrayals of trust? Aren't police supposed to be better than random criminals? Or do you hold them to the exact same standards there?
 
[quote="Frank Zappa, Trouble every day]
...
Well, I seen the fires burnin'
And the local people turnin'
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
And they say it served 'em right
Because a few of them are white,
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[/quote]

Unfortunately, this sort of thing has been going on way to long.
 
ehcks said:
And why are cops not required to wear cameras?
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I'd love to this nationwide. I'm all for it.

California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints

Cameras made officers more careful about using force.

But Rialto's randomised controlled study has seized attention because it offers scientific – and encouraging – findings: after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%.
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People tend to act differently when they know their actions are being recorded.
 
Unabogie said:
That's stupid. By the same logic, we should feel the same level of outrage if a terrorist blew up an American building than if the President ordered it? You don't think we have different levels of outrage when they involve betrayals of trust? Aren't police supposed to be better than random criminals? Or do you hold them to the exact same standards there?
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When I know what the police did, I'll let you know what standards I hold them to.

I know what the media does. Get things wrong.
 
Distracted1 said:
That detail seems to be continually ignored. According to the police department the "unarmed teen" was actually the "assailant".

It wasn't a case of " walking while black". It was a case of " attacking a police officer and trying to steal his gun"

That is the claim of the department, anyway. Is there some reason I should credit the police officers claim less than that of the assailants companion?
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There are two issues. One is whether the cop was justified in his initial shooting (this would be at the time he was still in his car and grappling with Brown). The other is whether the cop was justified in his subsequent shootings (when witnesses claim that brown turned around and put his hands up and then was fired upon multiple times). It's not enough of a defense to simply say that the first shooting was justified because he was going for his gun.

It currently looks to me like it was murder, but I'll wait for more evidence to roll in.

LTC8K6 said:
I'm not sure what George Zimmerman has to do with this case.
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Nothing at all.
 
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