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Michael Brown Shooting

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casebro said:
Are we talking about the same site- http://theconservativetreehouse.com/ ? I can't seem to find the TLA (three letter acronym) THC in the name. Typographical Dyslexia maybe, CTH?

Anyway, are their screen shot biased? Is their ID if people biased? Is their diagram on a overhead view biased? Is there location of the Media "Witnesses" biased?
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Their commentary and conclusions are biased. I addressed it upstream.
 
Distracted1 said:
Wether he is within the letter of the law when he kills someone, even when not in self defense, is actually unclear, and that is likely to be quite a contentious issue when and if there is a trial of officer Wilson.
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No arguments from me. I'd just add that if there is anyone who should be held to the letter of the law, it should be those who enforce that law. With great power comes great responsibility, and all that.
 
Distracted1 said:
Wether he is within the letter of the law when he kills someone, even when not in self defense, is actually unclear, and that is likely to be quite a contentious issue when and if there is a trial of officer Wilson.
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I'm pretty sure cops can't legally shoot someone who is getting or falling down as the bullet trajectories and head shot entry wounds suggest happened.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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Not sure why you think that but it's not true at all.

There are four hits to the arm, two to the head, and, a volley of 6 shots, a pause, 4 more shots.

If Wilson was shooting at Brown fleeing, some of those shots to the arm could have been while Brown was turning around. And/or one could have been with Brown turned away from Wilson.

Wilson is closing on Brown, Brown is moving forward toward Wilson during the 3 second gap. Wilson fires one more shot, Brown tries to get down, one second later Wilson fires the last 3 shots.

The shots to the arm do not change the scenario Brown was trying to get on the ground (or was falling to the ground) when he was killed.
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At least five of the bullets hit from the front according to the autopsy contracted by Mr. Browns family. Fourshots from the front do not account for five ( at least, could say six ) bullets into the front of Mr. Brown.
According to the scenario that Mr. Brown turned around during the pause in the shooting, either he was hit once prior to turning away from the policeman, or one of the bullets allegedly fired at his back somehow managed to hit him from the front.
 
Mike! said:
There you go, trotting out facts again. How dare you. Can't you see the word "conservative" right there in their name? It doesn't matter how much right (as in correct) there is in there, it's completely contaminated with conservative cooties, so of course it's all suspect, and should be completely disregarded as such, you silly ninny. :D
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Frankly, that site is a disgrace to the word "Conservative". And the word "Treehouse". And the word "The", now that I think about it.
 
Mike! said:
There you go, trotting out facts again. How dare you. Can't you see the word "conservative" right there in their name? It doesn't matter how much right (as in correct) there is in there, it's completely contaminated with conservative cooties, so of course it's all suspect, and should be completely disregarded as such, you silly ninny. :D
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It is not an evidence supported conclusion to claim the witnesses must all be friends of Brown's and surely colluded because look, they're all in one place after the shooting.

It's a bigoted conclusion.

In addition, the right wing blogosphere, including this site, is reading things into that ad hoc conversation that are not actually being said.
 
Distracted1 said:
At least five of the bullets hit from the front according to the autopsy contracted by Mr. Browns family. Fourshots from the front do not account for five ( at least, could say six ) bullets into the front of Mr. Brown.
According to the scenario that Mr. Brown turned around during the pause in the shooting, either he was hit once prior to turning away from the policeman, or one of the bullets allegedly fired at his back somehow managed to hit him from the front.
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It really gets tiring correcting this misinformation again and again.

The diagram is in an anatomical position. It is not a diagram of how the bullets entered the arms. The arms could have been in many different positions when the bullets entered.

Get with the program.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It is not an evidence supported conclusion to claim the witnesses must all be friends of Brown's and surely colluded because look, they're all in one place after the shooting.

It's a bigoted conclusion.

In addition, the right wing blogosphere, including this site, is reading things into that ad hoc conversation that are not actually being said.
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It is an evidence supported conclusion that these witnesses were photographed talking together before making their statements.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It is not an evidence supported conclusion to claim the witnesses must all be friends of Brown's and surely colluded because look, they're all in one place after the shooting.

It's a bigoted conclusion.

In addition, the right wing blogosphere, including this site, is reading things into that ad hoc conversation that are not actually being said.
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In a hypothetical wherein you are accused of a capital crime. Wherein three witnesses provide "independent, corroborative testimony" against you, you would not find it relevant that the witnesses were photographed talking to each other before making their "independent" statements?
 
casebro said:
Didn't you guys ever see the show "Cops" where consistently, the officer tells somebody to put the weapon down, and they don't? They tell them a gazillion times, and they just don't follow orders. They are unreasonable, insane maybe, over some petty grievance. And won't do what the cop orders.
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Don't muddy the waters with 25 years worth of recordings of cops not behaving badly.

Conceded in advance that they know they are on camera. Yet, so do the criminals.
 
Distracted1 said:
In a hypothetical wherein you are accused of a capital crime. Wherein three witnesses provide "independent, corroborative testimony" against you, you would not find it relevant that the witnesses were photographed talking to each other before making their "independent" statements?
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The website has the Bastard Brightbart's picture on it, everything there must be ignored because that dead man was a liar and everyone knows it. Who knows what sort of high tech CGI voodoo manipulative mumbo jumbo is going on with those, so called "photos". They could be of anything.
Best not to even look upon it lest ye be turned to stone. :rolleyes:
 
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Distracted1 said:
Actually, in order for the scenario asserted by SG and Unabogie to work, Mr. Brown must be shot once from the front while still at the vehicle.
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Wait a second, by ALL accounts this is what happened. By both Dorian Johnson's AND the police account, one shot was fired while Brown was at the SUV window. Why is it hard to imagine that one of those shots hit him in his arm? At that point, Brown fled. Darren Wilson exited his car and fired six more shots. I believe one of those shots also hit his arm. Brown turned around (witnesses claim with his hands up), said "don't shoot", and two seconds later, Darren Wilson shot him four more times, this time more deliberately, judging by the even cadence of the shots.

By the way, this part of the story can be reconciled with Wilson's version. If Brown said "don't shoot me", it's possible Wilson heard that as taunting or simply heard something different. "Don't shoot me" sounds enough like "You won't shoot me" for there to be an honest mistake. But whatever Brown said, he didn't have time to "bumrush" anyone, since the third set of shots started almost immediately.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It really gets tiring correcting this misinformation again and again.

The diagram is in an anatomical position. It is not a diagram of how the bullets entered the arms. The arms could have been in many different positions when the bullets entered.

Get with the program.
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I am not referring to the diagram, but to the statement of Dr. Baden that there were no gunshot wounds from the back, with the possible exception of a graze that could have come from either direction.
 
Mike! said:
The website has the Bastard Brightbart's picture on it, everything there must be ignored because that dead man was a liar and everyone knows it. Who knows what sort of high tech CGI voodoo manipulative mumbo jumbo is going on with those, so called "photos". They could be of anything.
Best not to even look upon it lest ye be turned to stone. :rolleyes:
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That website put out the theory that Trayvon Martin's Skittles and ice tea were actually ingredients in a drug called "Watermelon Lean" and suggested that Tracy Martin was a drug addict who sent his son to the store in order to get him a fix of it.

They're racist cretins, and no decent human being would link to them. Stick to reputable sources.
 
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