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Sigh. You cherrypicked my first post and pretended that you addressed it, and now you pretend that I didn't address your cherrypicked response.

Ugh. Go play your games with others.

Hey, I just made an off-hand comment. You decided to parachute in and complain about what I said. You chose this fight, not me.

First, don't get it twisted. This is not a game. People get killed over it.

Second, I simply noted the by now well-known habit of white supremacists to attach the label "thug" to the average black kid just minding his/her own business. I could have told you all about it 20 years ago. What I'm saying isn't even new - "thug" has been an insult for young black people for *decades*. The dictionary definition is beside the point, since dictionaries only describe how words are used, that the people writing the dictionary decide are noteworthy. They're necessarily late to note word and phrase definitions - they need to know that a definition is lasting before they enter it into their dictionaries.

And that's as it should be. But in the meantime, I see no need to ignore the obvious fact that people are happy to label random kids "thug" because of their skin color.
 
This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything I've posted. You might want to hit the "off" switch.

The funny thing is, I'd love to hit the "off switch. I explained this in great detail, but it was moved to AAH.

There's no such switch, though.

I have no choice but to give you far more weight than the average poster. And so, when you rush in and loudly proclaim, against all evidence, that "thug" is not just a substitute for the N-word, I get to see it and reply.

Meanwhile, since you are so adamant on this topic, please explain to us all why Richard Sherman was called a "thug".

Or Michael Brown.

Or Trayvon Martin.

Or Jordan Davis.

Or, maybe I'm working from a flawed premise. In any case, please, explain what's going on.
 
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That site claims that is a bracelet of dorian johnson, not shell casings. Just saying.

And of course, they were too stupid and hateful to notice the rubber band that Johnson was wearing on his left hand.

I'm just saying.
 
Only if you take it out of context where it was claimed that other evidence was withheld because it was part of the investigation.

Either it was or was not relevant to the investigation.

If they cannot release other evidence relative to the investigation, why is this different?

Remember the FOIA request?
That's what makes it different.



So...what if you only perform one thuggish action in your entire life? Are you still a thug?

I'm still gonna ask why everybody is so focused on assaulting the victim's character and are ignoring Wilson completely. It's like they're bending over backwards to make Wilson look like an angel.

I can understand why it looks that way, Axiom_Blade.
The thing is, the 'Gentle Giant' BS was colouring the way people saw and evaluated this occurrence.
It's not like posters are 'bending over backwards to make Wilson look like an angel', though. People, at least here, are trying to understand WTH happened.
And of course the robbery's relevant to understanding the shooting.
How not?
 
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I've never heard the phrase "union thug" before. Do a Google Image Search for "thug". The results are interesting. (And telling.)

Just to show you how big the world is, I've only heard "thug" coupled with "union" or "Mafia". Until I started following this discussion on Brown's death, I had no idea there are people associate "thug" with young black men.
Live and learn.

Also, keep in mind Google tailors its search to the user.
For example, after Wiki, I got the Urban dictionary definition as the second hit
As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug. and the life they are living is the thug life. A thug is NOT a gangster. Look up gangster and gangsta. Not even CLOSE, my friend.
"That boy ain't a gangsta, fo'sho'. Look at how he walks, he's a thug. life. That's the saddest face I've seen in all my life as a teen."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug
 
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On Fox News, Mark Fuhrman pointed out that if Wilson was attacked in his car, he would not have had the opportunity to frisk Michael Brown, so he would not have known whether or not he was armed. That means he couldn't have known what type of threat he was facing.

I suspect that when being physically assaulted by a 300 pound man, a trained police officer can solve the mystery of what's happening, without having to check the pockets of their assailant.
 
Pakeha - before I reply, may I ask where you are from?
Of course you may, but I'll limit myself to suggesting you Google my user
name and ponder my avatar. ;)
In any case, I live in Spain and instead of thug, people would prolly say "gorilla", normally applied to night-club and disco security, Latin American gang members, neo-Nazi youths and Eastern European mafia types.

Black people here are almost always refugee/immigrants from Sub-Saharan countries trying to stay alive selling Metro newspapers and fake Gucci handbags in the street.
 
please explain to us all why Richard Sherman was called a "thug".

Display of aggressive ghetto attitude expressed in poor English. Attempt to be intimidating.

Or Michael Brown.

Felony strong-arm robbery, assault, drug use, possible attempted murder, resisting arrest, etc.

Or Trayvon Martin.

Felony assault, attempted murder, burglary, drug abuse, sale of drugs, illegal firearms deals, possible rape eluded to in texts, misogyny, vandalism, trespassing, fights, blood thirst toward snitches, etc.

Or Jordan Davis.

Friends admitted he launched into loud, aggressive, angry, profanity-laced verbal tirade at Dunn after an admittedly polite request to turn volume of blasting gangster rap with lyrics about violence down. Accused of making death threats and possibly brandishing a weapon or something he hoped would be taken for a weapon by Dunn.

Or, maybe I'm working from a flawed premise. In any case, please, explain what's going on.

Happy to explain. See, there are a few key facts you're ignoring here:

Most of these young men embrace and self identify with such descriptors as "thug" "gangsta" etc. They talk about and glorify the "thug life" and most of these kids, when they were alive, would have been thrilled to be called thugs, and seen as scary and intimidating and dangerous. That was what they'd been working hard to cultivate as their persona and reputation. Trayvon and Big Mike would bristle at being talked about like harmless children.

Sometimes, "thug" is applied somewhat loosely to include people who appear to be styling themselves as thugs, emulating thugs, being "wannabe thugs" or acting LIKE a thug at a particular moment in time, even if that's just in the form of speech patterns.

This is common for many, many terms and there will always be people who apply terms more loosely and freely than others do. A white guy could be called a "hick" based only on his accent or driving a truck, or the state he was born in, or other similarly flimsy evidence. Someone can easily end up being called "white trash" in much the same way. Some people play fast and loose with these dismissive terms, and aren't adhering to a very high standard of proof on them.

That's not racist, it's lazy and it's human.

A girl could end up being branded a "slut" for just hooking up with one guy one time while intoxicated at a party if certain people noticed, and had an axe to grind. Is that sexism or just people being people? As in, intellectually lazy and judgmental, gossipy and mean.

Sherman and Davis are far weaker cases than Trayvon and Brown - accordingly, far fewer people called them thugs as compared to those other two.

If you expect others to agree "thug" is just a stand in for the N-word, as you've claimed, you'll need to explain why Marc Lamont Hill, Michael Eric Dyson, President Obama and his family, Bill Cosby, Morgan Freeman and Neil Degrasse Tyson aren't called thugs. And why Trayvon's studious, law-abiding brother wasn't called a thug by anyone I ever saw.

Until you can do that, I'll be considering your claim that being labeled a thug is some dangerous and unavoidable fate for blacks to be the nonsense that it transparently is.

Blacks avoid that label the same way anyone else does: speak well, obey the law, don't dress like an idiot, keep tattoos to a minimum, don't try to be intimidating, don't be violent.

Just because a higher percentage of blacks are embracing thug status does not magically transmogrify "thug" into a racist term for blacks. I've seen plenty of white thugs.
 
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Why is "alleged" such an issue? We have no idea who the person is, or where he was at the time of the shooting. It could turn it that he was a witness - but we don't know, and he hasn't made a clear statement to the public. If and when he appears on some cable news show to tell his story, we'll take him seriously.

How could we know any witness was a witness unless another witness witnessed them witnessing? Or if their story is consistent with other witnesses as well as the crime scene. The gold standard in science is prediction. Eyewitnesses said Brown was shot in the back, and now the "Wilson's Guilty Crowd" has to hang their hat on "Brown could have been shot from the back" because a bullet grazed his arm.

Josie, as has been discussed, is relating a third-hand account at best. And people will protect their friends, I get that. Although I do find it funny that many people here give that latitude for one side, but not the other - especially those who are outraged that Brown's family would call him a "gentle giant", but think that this Josie person is an acceptable witness.

The problem with the "Gentle Giant" description is that it's not true. The video demolishes the family's description.

Well, wouldn't they have released the statement?

No, really, given that the Ferguson are PD are willing to march down the street en-masse, shooting rubber bullets and teargas at anyone they see, and that they are willin to release information on Brown that they then admit is unrelated to the shooting, do you have any reason for us to think they would not have released any such statement?


I'm guessing because the investigation is not complete. The (alleged, right?) audio only came to light rather recently. From what I've read, they're not even gonna finish presenting to the grand jury until October.

Well, that's what we're trying to figure out, now isn't it?

Dunno if you heard, but a girl said Wilson was a jerk to her. That proves something about something.
 
What a thoughtless and rude reply. Are you sure you should be handing out yellow cards on a subject about which you obviously have an inability to be civil yourself?

This has to be a joke, right? Your ideas are nonsense. That's not rude or uncivil, it's just obvious.
 
This has to be a joke, right? Your ideas are nonsense. That's not rude or uncivil, it's just obvious.

Don't you see? The more emotional, irrational, and disconnected from reality and evidence a belief is, the more obligated you are to be gentle and pretend it's true, lest you hurt the feelings of the person who clearly holds said belief very deeply, and who clearly would be very hurt if you pointed out how wrong it is.
 
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