Mexican Airforce films UFOs

wipeout said:
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HEY!
You are disclosing military intelligence here! :)

Mexico does have an airforce. I think that the latest jest we have are some eight or ten F5's that only make a couple of low-passes over the crowd on the November 20th parade. Our other gear is Thunderbolts and Zeros.

My bet is those are cuban Fagots. You know, MIG 15's. They were dropping videos on government corruption for us to find.

FWIW, Maussan is the ultimate and most notorious a**hole we have on the media.

On IR - consider that there is "near" and "far" IR imaging. With one, you can actually see through synthetic clothes, but I'm not telling you which! Video from "entry-level" cameras is rather not heath, but reflected IR from a lamp in the camera.
 
This just in....

Just read this in the news:

The Defense Secretary, Ricardo Vega García, decided that "there was no use" to archive the UFO video as a military secret, and then decided to hand it over to someone who has researched the subject for so long, such as Jaime Maussan. His military personel "is forbidden to talk about UFOs or flying saucers, because that's where doubts and mockery starts".

A copy of the video, he says, is available for the scientific comunity, if someone wants to study it. (No, it doesn't say "where" - I found no mention of the matter at the ministry's web page, http://www.sedena.gob.mx )

The conclusion of journalist Jaime Maussan [...] is that the objects in the recording are UFOs. "That's [his] point of view, that's what the video was given to him, so he could draw his conclusions... but this is already his version, not the Ministry's".

This issue is not regarded as National Security.

The mexican surveillance plane is a Merlin C, during a routine mission agains drug smugglers.

News link (in Spanish): http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=222175&tabla=notas - this is daily news page, so expect the link to be broken by tonight.
 
Chupacabras said:
HEY!
You are disclosing military intelligence here! :)
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They left the numbers on the footage themselves, so they can't get me for it! :D

My bet is those are cuban Fagots. You know, MIG 15's. They were dropping videos on government corruption for us to find.
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Interesting - is this something that happened recently?

Certainly, the heat-sources could well be low flying planes on the coastline.

On IR - consider that there is "near" and "far" IR imaging. With one, you can actually see through synthetic clothes, but I'm not telling you which! Video from "entry-level" cameras is rather not heath, but reflected IR from a lamp in the camera.
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Ah, I had wondered about the camera-type which reflects people's eyes but had never checked it out. Must be the lamp version.
 
wipeout said:
They left the numbers on the footage themselves, so they can't get me for it! :D
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Darn! I smelled money for a second...


On the videos about corruption:
wipeout said:
Interesting - is this something that happened recently?
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Yes. A complex story, but basically, our diplomatic relations with Cuba have deteriorated rather dramatically in the past days. One of the current themes is about the origin of certain video tapes which supposedly incriminate our government on cohercion / corruption practices. Really, I don't care much about that, but I would be suspicious of anything that happens half-a-world around Cuba.


wipeout said:
... Must be the lamp version.
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Also, many remote controls (TV, A/C) have IR LEDs. Also PDA's use IR communications, and they emmit light, not "heat". You can see them at work with "night vision" home cameras.

Please note the wording in the news above - Maussan concluded they are UFO's - he is SOOOOOOOO smart!!!!
 
- So, Chup, notice any crop circles in your part of the world recently? :D

- And just for reference, wasn't it Mexico that the first alien was discovered in Signs?
 
I think you will find that the Cubans are only responsible for the "Strange cigar shaped" objects.
 
This story will be featured on the Oddball segment of Keith Olbermann's Countdown on MSNBC.
 
AtheistArchon said:
...notice any crop circles in your part of the world recently? :D
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Well, there are no crops in the desert in the first place! :)

Sonora is the greatest producer of wheat, but this year has turned particularly low - I hope UFO's have nothing to do.

AtheistArchon said:
... wasn't it Mexico that the first alien was discovered in Signs?
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Uh, haven't watched Signs. But one of the opening scenes in Close Encounters of the Third Kind had the research team in Sonora, finding a WWII squadron of planes sitting in the desert. A blinded old man repeated inncessantly: "El sol salió anoche y me cantó" - The sun came out last night, and sang to me.

I never get out on last nights ever since! :)


Reginald: :crazy: ROTFL !!!!!!
 
Originally posted by FFed

My guess is space junk. I had the good fortune of watching a russian rocket break up as it entered the atmosphere. Really cool. Just out of nowhere these big slow moving fireballs where travelling thru the sky. So that's my guess.
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I would normally concur with your assessment, but wouldn't space debris be visible without the aid of an infrared camera? If not, please explain.
 
A few thoughts....

Firstly I think it's quite interesting that a story like this has hit the media only a few weeks after UFO UK Magazine had to close on the grounds that UFOs were just "so cold war". Just interesting that's all.

Light on/light off is not so unusual if a refective surface is tumbling.

Heat would always be there if it's space debris
 
It's funny the reporter, in the video, says that the pilot says they fly in formation. It's just a freaking aircraft! :rolleyes:
 
- Mmm. Space debris sounds plausible, until you look at the similarity of the two main groups of three lights. They're more than just similar, they're dang-near identical; two parallel and close to each other, and one on the left farther away and down a notch.

- Unmodified Airforce pic:

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- The two groups of three lights in closer comparison:

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- Also note that in the video, the lights appear to be moving parallel to the ground; the FLIR cam is mounted on the underside of the aircraft.

- No, I think we're looking at fixed objects... at least fixed in relation to each other.
 
It's funny the reporter, in the video, says that the pilot says they fly in formation. It's just a freaking aircraft!
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- You're probably right! But I don't know of any single aircraft that has that kind of design or that brings back two radar signatures. I'd rather know for sure.

- I'm really surprised that there's not more hubbub about this in the media... maybe it's the whole war & torture & death & crappy-ass economy & misery thing going on and stealing the spotlight?
 
How could the air crew not know it was just a regular aircraft if that's what it was? I mean, I don't know what's going on with those lights but those guys track aircraft all the time, right? What would have to have been going on for them to not realize they were just looking at heat signatures off regular engines? It seems like a fundamental problem with trying to figure out what they saw is that the air crew is much better qualified to interpret their equipment then probably most of us.
 
How could the air crew not know it was just a regular aircraft if that's what it was? I mean, I don't know what's going on with those lights but those guys track aircraft all the time, right? What would have to have been going on for them to not realize they were just looking at heat signatures off regular engines? It seems like a fundamental problem with trying to figure out what they saw is that the air crew is much better qualified to interpret their equipment then probably most of us.
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- That's a good point. And furthermore, apparently not even 'our' pilots and operators are making any sense out of this stuff, so we're all probably shooting in the dark here. On the other hand, some of us do have experience with frauds, hoaxes, deceptions, and misunderstandings. :)
 
Space junk would burn up long before it was that bright unless it was very big.

It would not be in formation too.
 
Originally posted by AtheistArchon

- That's a good point. And furthermore, apparently not even 'our' pilots and operators are making any sense out of this stuff, so we're all probably shooting in the dark here. On the other hand, some of us do have experience with frauds, hoaxes, deceptions, and misunderstandings. :)
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Well if it's total hoax or fraud it's easy to explain but that's no fun. ;) I'm accepting (atm) the idea that the video and basic report is real though the crew comments have likely been heavily massaged or taken out of context to overhype what happend.

Looking at some of the pictures I'm wondering if the IR image is superimposed on top of a regular visible light image. That light/dark contrast in the clouds seems very extreme to me, is there really that big of a heat shift in the cloud or is that more like a regular shadow?
 
curious said:
Looking at some of the pictures I'm wondering if the IR image is superimposed on top of a regular visible light image. That light/dark contrast in the clouds seems very extreme iunless that's just regular shadows.
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I'm far from being an expert in infrared imaging, but as the video was shot in the daylight (around 5 pm), it makes sense to me that sunlight reflected by the clouds will imprint the camera's heat-sensitive film, while the opposite side, which remain in shadow, will not.

As for the possibility of a hoax, I find it hard to believe that air force officials would put their careers at risk by playing along with a fake of this sort.

I've listened to the pilots conversation in Spanish over and over, and I really find no indication that they may be faking the situation. Also, they repeatedly say that the objects are at the same altitude as that of their plane, again, hard to believe that they mistakenly interpret the instrumentation data.

This case will surely catch the attention of "believers" and "skeptics" alike. I think we'll soon hear from P. Klass or R. Schaeffer or J. Oberg on this puzzle.
 
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