Patricio Elicer
Obsessed with Reality
You're welcome, wipeout.
My main purpose was to translate the conversation between the crew members as faithfully as possible, without any judgement and "retouch" on my part.
Some passages seem to be quite confusing, and is hard to make sense or to interpolate what was really going on in those moments.
I will post my own judgement about what I heard and saw on the tape later on.
My main purpose was to translate the conversation between the crew members as faithfully as possible, without any judgement and "retouch" on my part.
Some passages seem to be quite confusing, and is hard to make sense or to interpolate what was really going on in those moments.
I will post my own judgement about what I heard and saw on the tape later on.
Having had a better look at the footage with the translation to help me, I've got to say I'm a bit confused by it.
The objects in this section seem to be one very large and two much smaller infrared objects to the aircraft's left, one radar object ahead and one infrared object behind later.
The infrared objects get further and further back to the left, and the final infrared object might be the same large object as it would now be behind the aircraft. I don't know what they are, could be all sorts of things. I don't know that they ever appear on radar so it could be more ground objects.
The radar object is moving very slowly east, and turns southeast and moves off radar. As I suggested a while back, it might be a helicopter from it's slow speed and now I think it might disappear off-radar quickly because it landed. As far as I can tell it's never seen on infrared.
That's my best guess at the moment.
The objects in this section seem to be one very large and two much smaller infrared objects to the aircraft's left, one radar object ahead and one infrared object behind later.
The infrared objects get further and further back to the left, and the final infrared object might be the same large object as it would now be behind the aircraft. I don't know what they are, could be all sorts of things. I don't know that they ever appear on radar so it could be more ground objects.
The radar object is moving very slowly east, and turns southeast and moves off radar. As I suggested a while back, it might be a helicopter from it's slow speed and now I think it might disappear off-radar quickly because it landed. As far as I can tell it's never seen on infrared.
That's my best guess at the moment.
Patricio Elicer
Obsessed with Reality
Seems that a big fuss is being made over the fact that the original footage was disclosed to the general public.
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m04-009.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m06-018.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m06-008.shtml
Or maybe it was because of the unedited footage leakage, that showed the world how incompetent air force officials are in identifying flying objects?
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m04-009.shtml
Also, a Mexican Air Force Chief was removed, possibly in connection with the UFO case?
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m06-018.shtml
C26A's Pilot, Flir Operator and Radar Operator downgraded?
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jul/m06-008.shtml
If all this is true, I wonder whether the "UFO sightings" has anything to do with it.
Or maybe it was because of the unedited footage leakage, that showed the world how incompetent air force officials are in identifying flying objects?
Kitty Chan
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hmmm
I think the most telling statement is a while back I saw on one of the sites
"That it didnt matter what the footage showed but what was really important was that a government came forward."
now, it looks like you guys and whoever else may come to a conclusion what better way to confuse things than to produce a government conspiricy for yet another cover up.
Lousy governments always hiding the ufo's . . .
I think the most telling statement is a while back I saw on one of the sites
"That it didnt matter what the footage showed but what was really important was that a government came forward."
now, it looks like you guys and whoever else may come to a conclusion what better way to confuse things than to produce a government conspiricy for yet another cover up.
Lousy governments always hiding the ufo's . . .
That's very interesting, Patricio.
Hmmm.... it'd be a pity if the aircrew had been punished for a simple misidentification. It was really the people who did the investigation who messed up, I guess.
I think Garcia was the General who released the footage.
Hmmm.... it'd be a pity if the aircrew had been punished for a simple misidentification. It was really the people who did the investigation who messed up, I guess.
I think Garcia was the General who released the footage.
feyd rautha
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bumparabambump
been away sometime, sthg. new???
this thread has to stay on frontpage till the case is solved. btw., i am angry randi never mentioned this case on his commentary, why is that? this case is for me the biggest unexplained sightning of unidentified flying objects and therefore mucho importante. seems to me that mr. randi only comments on obvious woowoo´s to make a lil fun of them. would be nice to see this case investigated and commented by someone credible. he often enough has reported on obvious ufo-fakes and hoaxes. seems to me that some people(interresting ian) are right about the new meaning of the word skeptic.
i am a real skeptic.
been away sometime, sthg. new???
this thread has to stay on frontpage till the case is solved. btw., i am angry randi never mentioned this case on his commentary, why is that? this case is for me the biggest unexplained sightning of unidentified flying objects and therefore mucho importante. seems to me that mr. randi only comments on obvious woowoo´s to make a lil fun of them. would be nice to see this case investigated and commented by someone credible. he often enough has reported on obvious ufo-fakes and hoaxes. seems to me that some people(interresting ian) are right about the new meaning of the word skeptic.
i am a real skeptic.
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Skeptical Inquirer
Has anyone read the latest issue of skeptical inquirer? It has a very interesting explaintion for what those things are. Acording to the article they were just from an internal system source generating those images. The pilotes never saw those objects visually. Only through the infrared imaging system.
You know...a mirage.
Has anyone read the latest issue of skeptical inquirer? It has a very interesting explaintion for what those things are. Acording to the article they were just from an internal system source generating those images. The pilotes never saw those objects visually. Only through the infrared imaging system.
You know...a mirage.
Report for peer review
You may have wondered where I've been the last week or so. Well, for one thing, I've been busy writing my report on this phenomenon and it's ready for peer review now. Several researchers are analyzing my findings as I write this post.
You're all welcome to analyze it.
As you'll see I have solved the azimuth update problem as discovered by Dr. Maccabee. I have also solved a number of other problems and have discovered some oddities as well.
Analysis of unidentified radiation sources
I can recommend listening to one of my latest pieces while reading it
Printy,
I've been looking at your analysis. Your parallax calculations are incorrect because they take no account of the erratic route or azimuth. I can prove that the twins are more 400 km away using that method, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like that. In fact I can prove they're not stationary as well.
You have to take account of the azimuth update issue + the erratic route and adjust the azimuth accordingly. You can see an example of this in my report.
I also have to wonder if your lat/lon readings for your parallax calculations are correct, because I've only seen you state four of these in your analysis, where only one is correct, the remaining three appear to be misreadings.
You may have wondered where I've been the last week or so. Well, for one thing, I've been busy writing my report on this phenomenon and it's ready for peer review now. Several researchers are analyzing my findings as I write this post.
You're all welcome to analyze it.
As you'll see I have solved the azimuth update problem as discovered by Dr. Maccabee. I have also solved a number of other problems and have discovered some oddities as well.
Analysis of unidentified radiation sources
I can recommend listening to one of my latest pieces while reading it
Printy,
I've been looking at your analysis. Your parallax calculations are incorrect because they take no account of the erratic route or azimuth. I can prove that the twins are more 400 km away using that method, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like that. In fact I can prove they're not stationary as well.
You have to take account of the azimuth update issue + the erratic route and adjust the azimuth accordingly. You can see an example of this in my report.
I also have to wonder if your lat/lon readings for your parallax calculations are correct, because I've only seen you state four of these in your analysis, where only one is correct, the remaining three appear to be misreadings.
Re: Skeptical Inquirer
That claim cries out for substantial evidence.
The oilflare hypothesis at least gives a good explanation to why the radiation sources wasn't visible to the naked eye. But I haven't read that article, so this is just my 2 cents.
I don't think it makes any sense that a system failure would go behind the clouds and appear in the same direction at all times. Besides, the SEDENA researchers tested all the equipment and found no malfunctions, after the event.sonofthor said:Has anyone read the latest issue of skeptical inquirer? It has a very interesting explaintion for what those things are. Acording to the article they were just from an internal system source generating those images. The pilotes never saw those objects visually. Only through the infrared imaging system.
You know...a mirage.
That claim cries out for substantial evidence.
The oilflare hypothesis at least gives a good explanation to why the radiation sources wasn't visible to the naked eye. But I haven't read that article, so this is just my 2 cents.
Don't worry about that, no one who had anything to do with this case has been degraded due to the restructuring of SEDENA.wipeout said:
It has nothing to do with the March 5 sighting. It was General Vega Garcia who released the video and allowed the media to interview the aircrew, and he's still the head of SEDENA.
michaellee
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I found Patricio's transcripts interesting. One thing that stood out while reading them was the sense that each individual(RO, FO and PC), while talking with one another, never listened. The term "one track mind" jumped out. So I cut and pasted the transcripts, and reading just each individuals statements during the ordeal puts it in a more clear perspective. Read and see for yourself.
transcript portions originally posted by Patricio Elicer
(Radar Operator)
RO: It is now at 11 o'clock, 4 miles, 75 speed, direction 2-9-7
RO: OK, it's almost at 12 o'clock, 2.9 distance, 75 speed
RO: Now it's 65 speed, 2.1 miles away
RO: now the radar readings are 2.14 distance, 97 speed.
RO: Its direction is 2-9-8 with 113 speed. Now the radar says between 285 and 213 speed
RO: Yes
RO: Now it's 194 speed
RO: At 12 o'clock, 2.1 miles
RO: now it's 177 speed, 2.1 miles, direction 3-0-0
RO: Right, and the reading is 2.1 miles
RO: I keep having it at 12 o'clock, 206 speed, direction 3-0-1
RO: 2.1 miles, 166 speed. Correction, 207 speed, direction 3-0-2
RO: Yes, I have it in front
RO: I'm at the edge of losing it on the radar, just exiting the radar field
RO: 31.8 miles now, and I'm losing it
RO: I don't have it on the screen anymore, but the radar keeps telling the distance, 37 miles
RO: OK, I just lost it
RO: Nothing, sir.
RO: At what distance did you get it, Tellez? [Tellez is the Flir Operator]
RO: Nothing, sir.
RO: I’m checking out, but no …, I have some tiny stains, but I have no readings, no speed indication, nothing
RO: At what position do you have them, Tellez?
RO: At 9 o’clock?,… I don’t think the radar can catch them, we have a blind angle there.
RO. Yes
RO: We have 20º of blind angle there
RO: Yes, it’s weird, I don’t have anything right now
RO: I continue searching
RO: I didn’t catch anything on the radar, sir
RO: Ah, here I got one, let me check out the one at 9 o’clock
RO: OK, the one that is at 1 o’clock is at 19 miles, 52 knots
RO: At what position, Tellez?
RO: OK, let me check…
RO: 17.1 miles, direction 95, speed 52
RO: That one is at 14.8 miles, direction 99, speed 52.
RO: It’s 10 miles away, speed 52
RO: Now I get it at 2 o’clock, at 9 miles, direction 120, speed 52
RO: No, now I get it with quality 9, but I got it with quality 1 before
RO: Now I get it almost at 3 o’clock, 6.9 miles, direction 155, speed 52
RO: It’s now at 3 o’clock, 7.1 miles, direction 182
RO: Yes, I still get it
RO: I lost a bit of quality, I get quality 5 now.
RO: The one we’ve got at 1 o’clock is already lost, it just exited the radar field
(FLIR Operator)
FO: There it goes, there it goes, there it goes!
FO: It's the FLIR angle, straight
FO: It is supposed to arrive at Carmen
FO: Let's see if it can make contact with ground control
FO: It is at a few miles from Carmen
FO: One or two miles from Carmen
FO: It is now over Carmen
FO: Carmen should see it now
FO: it's passing by Carmen
FO: Seems to be turning
FO: Yes
FO: it was just a light, I could not make out what it was.
FO: There are some clouds there, then they should become visible
FO: Yes, about 7 or 8 o’clock. It’s strange that it has a kind of point in front, a small point in front.
FO: Here goes another one
FO: There we have more, they are following behing one another. It’s 10 or 11 objects
FO: Right now they must be at position 9 o’clock
FO: Affirmative, there they go, there they go
FO: There they go, we have one and the rest is following behind
FO: There they go, all of them
FO: Aproximately at 8 or 9 o’clock
FO: There they go!, there they go!
FO: At the same altitude
FO: Now they are going to be clearly visible, and their speed is…. [exclamation for very high speed]
FO: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, …. on the screen
FO: Affirmative
FO: 8, 9, 10, 11, counting all the balls
FO: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11
FO: At 8:30 o’clock
FO: at 8:30?
FO: But you should see them now
FO: There’s a bunch of clouds
FO: We lost them
FO: Maybe a bit later we’ll see them again
FO: Affirmative
FO: At position 8 o’clock
FO: There are two others ahead of that one
FO: We’ve got them in front, in the middle and at 8 o’clock
FO: Can anyone check out through the window?. We’ve got one at aproximately 1 o’clock, and the rest are at 9 o‘clock
FO: I don’t know
FO: I don’t get distance readings
FO: I get one at 9, and in front of it, aproximately at 9 o’clock as well, there are two other luminous dots
FO: At 9 o’clock
FO: It goes at the same altitude as we, it can’t be possible
FO: 9 o’clock
FO: And the one you have at 1 o’clock?
FO: You are checking one, and I’m checking another one, I mean other ones.
FO: There it is
FO: Do you have it on sight?
FO: Where is the one at 1 o’clock?
FO: One of them is approaching us
FO: One of them was at 12, and the other one was at 9
FO: Where is the one you had at 1 o’clock, now?
(Plane Commander)
PC: OK, let's see if it's close to land in Kuwi (sp?). But we don't see it, go on telling me the position
PC: Go on giving me data
PC: ¿113?, ¿speed?
PC: ¿Speed?
PC: The Colonel Winchit (sp?), please!
PC: Just to inform you that over Tenosique (sp?), we had a radar contact with an aircraft that we've been unable to locate. It's still in the radar, we are trying to get eye contact with it, but we can't. Now we are at...... where is the airplane?... Radar, give me the information about the plane.
PC: Did you copy me, Tellez?
PC: Check out Ciudad del Carmen. Any craft landing at present time?
PC: That was apparently its direction, but we detected it doing low speed manuvers. We couldn't see it with the naked eye, but is still on radar, heading to Ciudad del Carmen, seemingly.
PC: Give me the Carmen frecuency
PC: And who is that guy, then?
PC: Could it be an helicop....., or probably a [unintelligible craft name]?
PC: Where is it? Can you still see it?
PC: Behind the clouds! [timestamp: 16:52:35]
PC: We caught it with the radar and the FLIR all the time.
PC: I think it was the same as ours
PC: Just above us
PC: No way!, now that we have a radar contact and .....
PC: Wow!, what a good job the radar is doing
PC: There it is
PC: It's still there
PC: What is he doing? [timestamp: 16:57:20]
PC: Turning?
PC: Eh?,... no!
PC: Radar, did you lose it?
PC: We couldn't make out if it was a plane or something.
PC: At 7 o’clock, at the same altitude
PC: Watch your language, gentlemen, but look for what is coming behind us
PC: OK radar, what do we have?
PC: At 9 o’clock, almost at the same altitude
PC: What do we have, radar?
PC: But they are a lot, about 10
PC: Look for the position, at what position?, at 10?
PC: Chase them, don’t lose them
PC: OK, we don’t know what we are witnessing, just some luminous objects which are at the same altitude as we, but we are unable to know how far away they are.
PC: Don’t lose them, FLIR
PC: Now they are going to appear again, they should be visible
PC: Yes, a bunch of clouds, but on exiting that bunch of clouds they should be visible
PC: At what position did we lose them, Tellez?
PC: Why are they chasing us?
PC: OK, that’s one, but I have another one at 9 o’clock
PC: And they are the same ones, eh?
PC: The one at 1 o’clock, how many miles?
PC: Gentlemen, we are not alone [LAUGHTERS], what a weird thing eh?, they are surrounding us
PC: Watch your language gentlemen, but what is this?
PC: But the one we have at 9 o’clock is chasing us, it’s going along parallel to us
PC: Now we’ve got those clouds, it’s above us
PC: OK, don’t lose it, radar. Look for the one at 1 o’clock
PC: It’s coming closer to us
PC: Quality 1?
PC: OK, let’s see …
PC: Ahhh, that isn’t the one, that’s the moon
PC: Is the moon in front?
PC: OK, it is the moon
PC: OK, we are not chasing the moon, are we?
PC: OK, that isn’t the one, it’s a cloud. Yes, it is a cloud
PC: OK, it is pulling away now, who know what it was!
PC: Is it still with us, radar?
PC: The radar is catching now what it didn’t catch in its entire life
PC: OK, all this is so weird
It's clear to me that:
The only unknown objects tracked were the 10 or 11 FLIR contacts.
The object that lead to their confusion and obvious lack of communication was nothing more than the MOON.
While the PC finally figured this out, neither the FO or RO ever acknowledged this.
And by the way, I never knew that the moon traveled at 52 knots. What kind of radar were they using? The better question might be "what were they smoking". Maybe the fumes from the 11 oil flares their FLIR picked up penetrated their aircraft.
transcript portions originally posted by Patricio Elicer
(Radar Operator)
RO: It is now at 11 o'clock, 4 miles, 75 speed, direction 2-9-7
RO: OK, it's almost at 12 o'clock, 2.9 distance, 75 speed
RO: Now it's 65 speed, 2.1 miles away
RO: now the radar readings are 2.14 distance, 97 speed.
RO: Its direction is 2-9-8 with 113 speed. Now the radar says between 285 and 213 speed
RO: Yes
RO: Now it's 194 speed
RO: At 12 o'clock, 2.1 miles
RO: now it's 177 speed, 2.1 miles, direction 3-0-0
RO: Right, and the reading is 2.1 miles
RO: I keep having it at 12 o'clock, 206 speed, direction 3-0-1
RO: 2.1 miles, 166 speed. Correction, 207 speed, direction 3-0-2
RO: Yes, I have it in front
RO: I'm at the edge of losing it on the radar, just exiting the radar field
RO: 31.8 miles now, and I'm losing it
RO: I don't have it on the screen anymore, but the radar keeps telling the distance, 37 miles
RO: OK, I just lost it
RO: Nothing, sir.
RO: At what distance did you get it, Tellez? [Tellez is the Flir Operator]
RO: Nothing, sir.
RO: I’m checking out, but no …, I have some tiny stains, but I have no readings, no speed indication, nothing
RO: At what position do you have them, Tellez?
RO: At 9 o’clock?,… I don’t think the radar can catch them, we have a blind angle there.
RO. Yes
RO: We have 20º of blind angle there
RO: Yes, it’s weird, I don’t have anything right now
RO: I continue searching
RO: I didn’t catch anything on the radar, sir
RO: Ah, here I got one, let me check out the one at 9 o’clock
RO: OK, the one that is at 1 o’clock is at 19 miles, 52 knots
RO: At what position, Tellez?
RO: OK, let me check…
RO: 17.1 miles, direction 95, speed 52
RO: That one is at 14.8 miles, direction 99, speed 52.
RO: It’s 10 miles away, speed 52
RO: Now I get it at 2 o’clock, at 9 miles, direction 120, speed 52
RO: No, now I get it with quality 9, but I got it with quality 1 before
RO: Now I get it almost at 3 o’clock, 6.9 miles, direction 155, speed 52
RO: It’s now at 3 o’clock, 7.1 miles, direction 182
RO: Yes, I still get it
RO: I lost a bit of quality, I get quality 5 now.
RO: The one we’ve got at 1 o’clock is already lost, it just exited the radar field
(FLIR Operator)
FO: There it goes, there it goes, there it goes!
FO: It's the FLIR angle, straight
FO: It is supposed to arrive at Carmen
FO: Let's see if it can make contact with ground control
FO: It is at a few miles from Carmen
FO: One or two miles from Carmen
FO: It is now over Carmen
FO: Carmen should see it now
FO: it's passing by Carmen
FO: Seems to be turning
FO: Yes
FO: it was just a light, I could not make out what it was.
FO: There are some clouds there, then they should become visible
FO: Yes, about 7 or 8 o’clock. It’s strange that it has a kind of point in front, a small point in front.
FO: Here goes another one
FO: There we have more, they are following behing one another. It’s 10 or 11 objects
FO: Right now they must be at position 9 o’clock
FO: Affirmative, there they go, there they go
FO: There they go, we have one and the rest is following behind
FO: There they go, all of them
FO: Aproximately at 8 or 9 o’clock
FO: There they go!, there they go!
FO: At the same altitude
FO: Now they are going to be clearly visible, and their speed is…. [exclamation for very high speed]
FO: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, …. on the screen
FO: Affirmative
FO: 8, 9, 10, 11, counting all the balls
FO: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11
FO: At 8:30 o’clock
FO: at 8:30?
FO: But you should see them now
FO: There’s a bunch of clouds
FO: We lost them
FO: Maybe a bit later we’ll see them again
FO: Affirmative
FO: At position 8 o’clock
FO: There are two others ahead of that one
FO: We’ve got them in front, in the middle and at 8 o’clock
FO: Can anyone check out through the window?. We’ve got one at aproximately 1 o’clock, and the rest are at 9 o‘clock
FO: I don’t know
FO: I don’t get distance readings
FO: I get one at 9, and in front of it, aproximately at 9 o’clock as well, there are two other luminous dots
FO: At 9 o’clock
FO: It goes at the same altitude as we, it can’t be possible
FO: 9 o’clock
FO: And the one you have at 1 o’clock?
FO: You are checking one, and I’m checking another one, I mean other ones.
FO: There it is
FO: Do you have it on sight?
FO: Where is the one at 1 o’clock?
FO: One of them is approaching us
FO: One of them was at 12, and the other one was at 9
FO: Where is the one you had at 1 o’clock, now?
(Plane Commander)
PC: OK, let's see if it's close to land in Kuwi (sp?). But we don't see it, go on telling me the position
PC: Go on giving me data
PC: ¿113?, ¿speed?
PC: ¿Speed?
PC: The Colonel Winchit (sp?), please!
PC: Just to inform you that over Tenosique (sp?), we had a radar contact with an aircraft that we've been unable to locate. It's still in the radar, we are trying to get eye contact with it, but we can't. Now we are at...... where is the airplane?... Radar, give me the information about the plane.
PC: Did you copy me, Tellez?
PC: Check out Ciudad del Carmen. Any craft landing at present time?
PC: That was apparently its direction, but we detected it doing low speed manuvers. We couldn't see it with the naked eye, but is still on radar, heading to Ciudad del Carmen, seemingly.
PC: Give me the Carmen frecuency
PC: And who is that guy, then?
PC: Could it be an helicop....., or probably a [unintelligible craft name]?
PC: Where is it? Can you still see it?
PC: Behind the clouds! [timestamp: 16:52:35]
PC: We caught it with the radar and the FLIR all the time.
PC: I think it was the same as ours
PC: Just above us
PC: No way!, now that we have a radar contact and .....
PC: Wow!, what a good job the radar is doing
PC: There it is
PC: It's still there
PC: What is he doing? [timestamp: 16:57:20]
PC: Turning?
PC: Eh?,... no!
PC: Radar, did you lose it?
PC: We couldn't make out if it was a plane or something.
PC: At 7 o’clock, at the same altitude
PC: Watch your language, gentlemen, but look for what is coming behind us
PC: OK radar, what do we have?
PC: At 9 o’clock, almost at the same altitude
PC: What do we have, radar?
PC: But they are a lot, about 10
PC: Look for the position, at what position?, at 10?
PC: Chase them, don’t lose them
PC: OK, we don’t know what we are witnessing, just some luminous objects which are at the same altitude as we, but we are unable to know how far away they are.
PC: Don’t lose them, FLIR
PC: Now they are going to appear again, they should be visible
PC: Yes, a bunch of clouds, but on exiting that bunch of clouds they should be visible
PC: At what position did we lose them, Tellez?
PC: Why are they chasing us?
PC: OK, that’s one, but I have another one at 9 o’clock
PC: And they are the same ones, eh?
PC: The one at 1 o’clock, how many miles?
PC: Gentlemen, we are not alone [LAUGHTERS], what a weird thing eh?, they are surrounding us
PC: Watch your language gentlemen, but what is this?
PC: But the one we have at 9 o’clock is chasing us, it’s going along parallel to us
PC: Now we’ve got those clouds, it’s above us
PC: OK, don’t lose it, radar. Look for the one at 1 o’clock
PC: It’s coming closer to us
PC: Quality 1?
PC: OK, let’s see …
PC: Ahhh, that isn’t the one, that’s the moon
PC: Is the moon in front?
PC: OK, it is the moon
PC: OK, we are not chasing the moon, are we?
PC: OK, that isn’t the one, it’s a cloud. Yes, it is a cloud
PC: OK, it is pulling away now, who know what it was!
PC: Is it still with us, radar?
PC: The radar is catching now what it didn’t catch in its entire life
PC: OK, all this is so weird
It's clear to me that:
The only unknown objects tracked were the 10 or 11 FLIR contacts.
The object that lead to their confusion and obvious lack of communication was nothing more than the MOON.
While the PC finally figured this out, neither the FO or RO ever acknowledged this.
And by the way, I never knew that the moon traveled at 52 knots. What kind of radar were they using? The better question might be "what were they smoking". Maybe the fumes from the 11 oil flares their FLIR picked up penetrated their aircraft.
Kitty Chan
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Re: Report for peer review
Thomas
Bravo excellent, you created the piece
plus I will add a thank you for your work on the essay
Thomas
Bravo excellent, you created the piece
plus I will add a thank you for your work on the essay
Yes, pulling it all out of context makes everything clear.michaellee said:
Eeeh?
The AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 which is able to detect interstellar objects at ranges above 300,000 km, of course. Especially if they move with a velocity of about 100km/h.
Where have I heard that statement before?
Eeeeeeh?
Please, please, please tell me that all this is a parody or atleast a joke?
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Thanks again, but it's not exactly an essay, since the only place I actually state my personal opinion is in the preface/abstract. The rest is just calculations, facts and analysis which has nothing to do with my personal opinion. But I know what you mean, so thanks
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While I would like to think there is intelligent life out there somewhere, it does strike me as a little odd that:
These craft travel massive distances with no doubt incredible technology propelling them. They travel through our solar system un-detected. They track planes at a few hundred feet and for some reason the tea lady always seems to run the trolley over the cloaking device cable and pull the plug out of the wall. I would have thought they may have come up with a slightly better system by now
These craft travel massive distances with no doubt incredible technology propelling them. They travel through our solar system un-detected. They track planes at a few hundred feet and for some reason the tea lady always seems to run the trolley over the cloaking device cable and pull the plug out of the wall. I would have thought they may have come up with a slightly better system by now
To be honest to the UFOlogists, not all of them claim that UFOs are alien crafts. Some also believe that as yet unknown natural phenomena are the cause.Stitch said:These craft travel massive distances with no doubt incredible technology propelling them. They travel through our solar system un-detected. They track planes at a few hundred feet and for some reason the tea lady always seems to run the trolley over the cloaking device cable and pull the plug out of the wall. I would have thought they may have come up with a slightly better system by now
I once saw a TV documentary where some scientist tried to document hovering light phenomenas that he believed appeared near geological fault lines. If they chase air planes, I do not know.
Heh, indeed. I couldn't help but to think about a part of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy when I read your post, which goes like this:Stitch said:While I would like to think there is intelligent life out there somewhere, it does strike me as a little odd that:
These craft travel massive distances with no doubt incredible technology propelling them. They travel through our solar system un-detected. They track planes at a few hundred feet and for some reason the tea lady always seems to run the trolley over the cloaking device cable and pull the plug out of the wall. I would have thought they may have come up with a slightly better system by now
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It matters not. At least not in relation to this case.steenkh said:
If you read my analysis you'll find that the airplane wasn't chased by the radiation sources at any point. It's an incorrect interpretation made by the aircrew, an interpretation which soon got adopted by the news media for the sake of sensationalism. At least we don't have any evidence to suggest that this was the case, nor did the aircrew.
Btw, I also saw that you found a problem with the oilflare hypothesis. Look under my 'oddities' section if you wanna see more, also have a look at the distances measured with parallax or the elevation analysis. They don't correspond to the oilflare idea either. However, these calculations are not 100% conclusive, but they're the best we can do with the material we have at hand.