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[Merged]LCFC Errors / Loose Change Final Cut

Dylan's argument so far is extremely weak, and is still using the "highjakers are still alive" argument though that was debunked ten times over after he used it in previous editions. And by the end of the first portion of the movie, he ends by just asking more questions.

Then he talks about the interceptions and how it takes 10 minutes. This is a DRG statement that has also been debunked. Wargames? Yawn...debunked already. I'm about 30 minutes in and i've seen hardly anything new and original in this movie.
 
Argggh, the 70% of the GZ workers have developed respiratory problems claim. Debunked by those notorious Bush supporters at the New York Times. If it were really seven in ten there'd be no need for a Mount Sinai study.
 
Ahhhhh....now they show the Norman Mineta testimony....Why don't you show the whole quote from the beginning starting with the question Dylan? Would it be because it would completely contradict you?
 
MetalliSociety said:
Is it just me or does Avery have the most annoying and boring voice of any narrator ever?
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It's not just you.


Does anyone know if there is any evidence that Rex Tomb of the FBI said they had no hard evidence against Osama Bin Laden? I've been looking for an interview where he said it, to look at what he actually said and the context he said it in, and all I can find is the claim that he said it repeated all over conspiracy sites.

The best I've found so far is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47109

Neither support that quote.
 
Dylan's usual hyperbole gets him in trouble. He claims that items from Flight 93 survived in "pristine" condition, including a Saudi driver's license.



Don't buy anything as "mint" from Dylan!
 
Now Hanjour, who already had his commercial liscense. Most instructors if I remember correctly said he couldn't land a plane, but obviously that wouldn't be a problem on 9/11.

43 minutes in, still nothing "earth shattering" as I believe Bermas said it would be.
 
Matilda said:
It's not just you.


Does anyone know if there is any evidence that Rex Tomb of the FBI said they had no hard evidence against Osama Bin Laden? I've been looking for an interview where he said it, to look at what he actually said and the context he said it in, and all I can find is the claim that he said it repeated all over conspiracy sites.

The best I've found so far is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47109

Neither support that quote.
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Ed Haas of the Muckraker Report is the original source.
 
Swing Dangler said:
Do you have any evidence that Wall Street Journal did not confirm the story?
Also, how can you speak for the Wall Street Journal or its associated blogs in the first place?
If so I would like to see that.

Here is a second source regarding wired money to Atta from Pakistan from CNN.

Sen. Joe Biden confirmed the wire transfer in his interview. When confonted, Biden stated, ""We asked him the question - what was he doing with the head of the Pakistani ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad," said Rudkowski.

Edit: much pointed out earlier today. But I'd still like to know how Joe Biden was in charge of all this.

"He (Biden)told me - he(Biden) admitted that he met with him - (Biden) met with the head of the Pakistani ISI - he said I told them not to do it, I (Biden)told them not to wire the money - I told them to stop supporting the Taliban..."
You can view the interview at We Are Change.

When you have confirmation like that, do you still deny the story?
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First, he asks: "can you prove a negative for me?" Pretty lazy (as well as logically impossible.)

Second, Rudkowski... That Rudkowski?? Like that's a credible source.

Third, aha! Biden is the big enchilada behind the whole thing. Makes sense to me.
 
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MetalliSociety said:
Now Hanjour, who already had his commercial liscense. Most instructors if I remember correctly said he couldn't land a plane, but obviously that wouldn't be a problem on 9/11.
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Hanjour's main problem was that he didn't speak English adequately. Remember, Marcel Bernard rated him an average to below average pilot. Bernard's instructors took three test flights with Hanjour before declining to rent him a plane, which is hardly indicative of a complete incompetent. In addition Hanjour did end up renting a plane at another airfield (in New Jersey, IIRC) and ended up making a flight to Maryland and back.
 
The usual BS about the last three minutes of the Cockpit Voice Recorder missing; of course this comes from the claim that the plane crashed at 10:06, not 10:03 as is generally accepted, and as even Dylan says in the opening of this segment. Amazing how he forgot that!
 
The whole start of the WTC section is just like 2nd edition. Yawn. Where did all this money he claimed to use for the movie go if hes just rehashing 2nd edition clips?
 
Dylan makes the usual claim that all the columns had to collapse "simultaneously". One column could give way, but buildings are designed to transfer that load to other columns. It is only when the remaining columns cannot support the weight that the building collapses.
 
Something struck me as unusual during the Kevin Ryan interview. They show them making the model for the floors and all of that, but there is one problem. They had the fireproofing still in tact, although all throughout the floors of the impact zone the fireproofing was knocked off.

Just something i spotted.
 
Brainster said:
Ed Haas of the Muckraker Report is the original source.
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Thank you :). I feel reluctant to take his word that the quote is accurate and in context. He doesn't have evidence to back up his claim, as it was a conversation over the phone. Looking at the Muckraker site, Haas appears to be a CTist, so perhaps he heard what he wanted to hear.

Here is his request to have the 9/11 Commission Report reclassified as fiction by the library of congress:
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id228.html
 
Also, like Bofors, Dylan and Co. never read the NIST report, and they have openly admited that they "dont have the time" to read over the report. So their critique is useless, like bofors.

Now, he's talking about the usual free fall speed and controlled demolition.

I also like how they note that Prof. Jones "retired" from BYU. Last I checked, he quit his post while his paper was being peer reviewed by his department and took his paper with him.
 
And now they're doing the usual "assuming molten metal automatically means molten steel" rubbish. Dylan is really ripping the truthers off with this one. Once again, it's still basically 2nd edition with improved sound and CG.

Way to screw twoofers out of their money Avery.
 
Finished. Odd that there's not a single mention of thermite/thermate or iron microspheres. And the film seems more aimed at the existing Troofer community than at converting new folks, but at the same time it's much less definitive in its conclusions, which strikes me as likely to be unsatisfactory to the kooks.

Dylan provides very little context for some of the issues. The radio issue gets mentioned, but he does not explain what it's all about. Granted, it's boring, but at least there's some substance to that claim compared to the rest of the film.
 
ALSO...(lol...tell me if im getting annoying) he compares the collapse with a normal CD. Note theres a whole bunch of loud bangs and bright flashes. None of which are present in collapses of either towers or WTC 7(unless you watch 9/11 Mysteries which implanted SFX, or some other truther fake videos).

He then talks about the smoke cloud coming from the base of the towers. At this point Twoofer hero Willie Rod. is still in the basement, which effectively would have killed him.

I believe RKOwens debunked this claim.

Then he uses the interviews of people from that day, which has been talked about constantly by debunkers and is nothing new for this movie.

Come on Dylan. Im still holding out that you'll talk about something original.
 
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