[Merged] Immortality & Bayesian Statistics

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Slowvehicle said:
Mr. Savage:

At the risk of being accused of being condescending, what, precisely, do you mean by "(essentially) disprove"? In the JabbaverseTM, is it Jabbaspeak for "disprove, but not really", or "disprove in opinion, never mind fact", or "disprove the essences, never mind the accidents or the incidents"? Or does it mean something else entirely?
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I'm trying to imagine my sophomore year geometry teacher reacting to me telling him that I (essentially) proved that angle x and angle y were equal, or that triangles had 180 degrees.

pakeha said:
And when they sleep, do they dream of electric sheep?
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Cool late 60's band name and / or album title.
 
carlitos said:
I'm trying to imagine my sophomore year geometry teacher reacting to me telling him that I (essentially) proved that angle x and angle y were equal, or that triangles had 180 degrees.


Cool late 60's band name and / or album title.
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"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" was the Philip K. Dick short story that was adapted into Blade Runner...
 
Geez. Just in the last few days here, I was unaware of references to Blade Runner and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I must be the only one here who's not into science fiction.
 
Just last weekend, a friend was incredulous that I hadn't seen Dr. Who since Tom Baker, and hadn't seen Star Trek since Captain Kirk. I dunno. Mostly I play music and read fiction.
 
- OK. I've come up with a list of unanswered, or insufficiently answered questions and objections. Hopefully, I can paraphrase them effectively.

1) What am I talking about -- "scientific model," "scientific method," "consensus scientific opinion" or what?
2) Why is non-A essentially "immortality"?
3) How do I expect this thread to end?
4) My estimates are wrong (various issues).
5) Am I talking about "souls"?
6) Where's my prior evidence for immortality?
7) Why should a particular consciousness be determined by a particular brain?

- If I have missed, or ineffectively paraphrased something, please let me know.

- If I don't get any suggestions as to where to start, I'll start with #1 and work my way down.

- This should work...
 
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Jabba said:
- OK. I've come up with a list of unanswered, or insufficiently answered questions and objections. Hopefully, I can paraphrase them effectively.

1) What am I talking about -- "scientific model," "scientific method," "consensus scientific opinion" or what?...
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- How about if I don't worry about the scientific status Of what I'm trying to (essentially) disprove, and just leave it as an opinion with which I disagree and which I am trying to essentially disprove?
- The "opinion" to which I refer is, "Each of us humans has only one, finite life to live -- at most." By "life" I mean period of consciousness.
 
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Jabba said:
- How about if I don't worry about the scientific status Of what I'm trying to (essentially) disprove, and just leave it as an opinion with which I disagree and which I am trying to essentially disprove?
- The "opinion" to which I refer is, "Each of us humans has only one, finite life to live -- at most." By "life" I mean period of consciousness.
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You may have missed this:


Akhenaten said:
It looks as though your entire argument can essentially be boiled down to:

I've assigned an opinion about statistics that I disagree with to an imaginary group of people, therefore immortality.
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HighRiser said:
Congratulations! You have an opinion! :)

Now all you have to do is show how your opinion has any bearing on reality.
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High Riser,
- I don't really understand you're objection -- if I show that my opinion is very likely correct, I'm showing that it is very likely reality...
 
Jabba, I am not objecting. You have stated several times in this and other topics that you have opinions on this and that. But that's as far as you go. You evidently don't feel the need to substantiate your opinions. So I was facetiously congratulating you for restating, for the umpteenth time, the well known fact that you have an opinion.

How about supporting an opinion with some data?

Maybe expounding on your position with some logic?

Anything but restating and listing things you're gonna do. Please?
 
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Jabba said:
- The "opinion" to which I refer is, "Each of us humans has only one, finite life to live -- at most." By "life" I mean period of consciousness.
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I don't think you do mean period of consciousness, as everybody experiences unconsciousness on an almost daily basis.
 
Jabba said:
High Riser,
- I don't really understand you're objection -- if I show that my opinion is very likely correct, I'm showing that it is very likely reality...
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If you even start to do something other than stating your opinion, Satan will be skating to work.
 
Jabba said:
Akhenaten,
- I don't really understand that quote.
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Of course you don't and I'd guess that's why you ignored it when I first posted it.


I'll see if I can make it a bit simpler . . .

You have an opinion. It apparently disagrees with another opinion that you have claimed is held by an as-yet-unidentified group which you further claim has established some kind of consensus about something or other that you have yet to specify, alleged by you to be of a scientific nature. You regard this disagreement as essential proof that your own opinion is correct and that therefore immortality is a thing.

And the forests will echo with laughter.

You really should stop ignoring the 95% of posts in the thread that have repeatedly tried to explain this to you rather than barging ahead insouciantly pretending to yourself that anyone/everyone has a clue what you're talking about.
 
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Jabba said:
High Riser,
- I don't really understand you're objection -- if I show that my opinion is very likely correct, I'm showing that it is very likely reality...
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And if you're aunt had testicles she'd be you're uncle.


And they'd both likely have some stern words to say about you're grammar.
 
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