Akhenaten
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[Merged] Immortality & Bayesian Statistics
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pakeha
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Jabba, consciousness doesn't emerge, like a lotus from a sacred pool.
Remember?
Consciousness is an emergent property of a neurosystem.
Mojo
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If you accept this, on what basis are you claiming that (if we were able to provide identical environments for both) their "selves" would be different?
Jabba
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- I provided my best explanation a long time ago. If reincarnation is true, we must have come from an infinitely divisible source -- and, there are probably several of us today that were Napoleon in past lives... That's my story, and I'm st-st-stickin to it.
- Right now, I have older fish to fry.
Sideroxylon
Featherless biped
You are the sum of your memories. In what way is it meaningful to talk about being someone with a completely different set of memories and outlook on life?
1. The highlight demonstrates, again, that you are assuming the consequent.
2. Your internal logic is broken. Let me demonstrate using your premise. Letters represent people
Long Ago
One infinite pool of selves
A & B (the first people)
Self[superscript]A[/superscript] and Self[superscript]B[/superscript] attach
C, D & E are born
Self[superscript]C[/superscript], Self[superscript]D[/superscript] and Self[superscript]E[/superscript] attach
A & B die
Self[superscript]A[/superscript] and Self[superscript]B[/superscript] go ....... where? Back to the pool of infinite selves?
Fast Forward to X, Y and Z
Self[superscript]A[/superscript] attaches to X
How does it also attach to Y and Z?
For your multiple Napoleons today you have to posit not only that their are infinite selves but that the selves bi-located or tri-located.
Slowvehicle
Membership Drive , Co-Ordinator,, Russell's Antin
In what way is this claim consonant with anything we know about neuroscience?
You are taking everything that has been told you, nodding your head, pretending to understand it,and then simply declaiming, "Yeah,but the "soul" really does exist, and really is "immortal", and I have essentially proved it be declaring that some of us used to be Napoleon".
Still assuming the consequent.
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As I said long ago, that is the problem in disproving magic, in that invoking even more bizarre magic can be used to explain any flaw in the first discussion of magic. This proposal only shows how desperate you must be to believe in your theory, and how you yourself realize its problems.
Surely you realize that you yourself have disproven your theory here by proposing a need for an infinitely divisible source, which is impossible. Neither infinite nor infinitely divisible things exist.
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Good points! But even more so, assume the first two people have three kids, and at least for a time all 5 are alive. Where did the 3 new selves come from? Can fractions of selves be ripped from 2 living parents and given to the 3 children? If you think about this "overlap" problem, it actually comes about every generation in a growing population.
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
Like essentially proving immortality with Bayesian statistics.
To be fair, the extras come from the infinite pool/potential.
The real problem is that reincarnation can only happen with perfect timing, else some person is standing there selfless waiting either for a reincarnated self to arrive at birth or waiting to die after the self has flown off to be in someone else.
I thought Jabba claimed there was no pool. I don't know why not. Maybe he will now.
He says he claims no pool, but all he has really done is change the word to "potential." Same thing he did with consciousness, observer, self, etc.
Slowvehicle
Membership Drive , Co-Ordinator,, Russell's Antin
That was only because we made him say there was no pool. Now that this thread is in Religion, he feels free to say the TruthTM.
Which Napoleon?
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Loss Leader
I would save the receptionist., Moderator
Oh, you mean nonsense. In the future, you can save yourself time by just typing the word nonsense.
PixyMisa
Persnickety Insect
Yeah, we know. You started out with pathetic nonsense, and it's been all downhill from there.
It's not.
That would also save the reader a lot of time.
Perhaps, but there are many interesting and compelling variations he could write.
Nonsense.
Nonsense.
Nonsense.
"Nonsense."
1. Nonsense.
1.Non
2.Sense
It could be quite a debate.
I am not sure if I want to be 1/64 of Napoleon. Of course, we are all a fraction of the "first" 2 "humans" anyway: 1/7 billionth. Duplicated and re-duplicated and re-re-duplicated according to Jabba... Or is it an exact duplication, so my division of Napoleon's self resulted somehow in me receiving an entire Napoleon?
At least I now know Jabba will respond to certain posts and that he is just ignoring the most fatal criticisms.
At least I now know Jabba will respond to certain posts and that he is just ignoring the most fatal criticisms.
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