Mental illness and 9/11

[Scott Sommers]

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for quote of modded post.

We can make all the jokes we want about this, but it does lead to a very interesting observation about the Truth Movement and the battle against the NWO.

The forums where they generate their ideas about the world's demise are filled with people who are mentally ill. And we don't even have to speculate on this. Their doctors have diagnosed this.

When you talk to a typical man-on-the-street conspiracy sort of fellow, they may be weird, but they are perfectly capable of getting past a psychiatrist without a prescription for Invega. The folks I talk with on the net about what they think are 'anti-government' ideas, have no idea where these come from. My guess is that most of my conspiracy net friends would be just as horrified by these guys as we are. They wouldn't go near them or let their children near them. Yet they unknowingly spread ideas that originated in their babblings on forums like this.

This is a very strange problem.

 

[jj-158]

I find it very disturbing that a group of self-identifying skeptics are so eager to diagnose mental illness in people they haven't even met, nor are qualified to do so.

 

[Baylor]

I find it very disturbing that a group of self-identifying skeptics are so eager to diagnose mental illness in people they haven't even met, nor are qualified to do so.

You find it disturbing when someone calls a spade a spade?

 

[Orphia Nay]

You have a problem with skeptics believing the diagnosis of a mental health professional over the patient's self-diagnosis?

 

[jj-158]

You find it disturbing when someone calls a spade a spade?

You have a problem with skeptics believing the diagnosis of a mental health professional over the patient's self-diagnosis?

We are not talking about whether people are of a conservative leaning or not, or whether they like Liverpool better than Everton.

We are talking about people who could be having a serious mental illness. Or not.

How do we know that the person claiming to be a mental health professional really is one?

And even if that person is, how ethical is it to diagnose people with mental illnesses based on what they read on the Internet?

Frankly, I don't see a lot of critical thinking here. More like mob mentality.

 

[Orphia Nay]

How do we know that the person claiming to be a mental health professional really is one?

I'm talking about the truther who says he was diagnosed as mentally ill. Who are you talking about?

 

[jj-158]

I'm talking about the truther who says he was diagnosed as mentally ill. Who are you talking about?

The same.

....what, you take the word of a truther?

 

[Scott Sommers]

I find it very disturbing that a group of self-identifying skeptics are so eager to diagnose mental illness in people they haven't even met, nor are qualified to do so.

I have almost finished a PhD in Educational Psychology, so I not entirely unquaified. But that really is not the issue.

And it is at this point I have stop and ask, did you actually read any of this thread? The people we are talking about here stated they had been treated by medical professionals for mental illness. The point is that some significant number of people involved in the Truth Movement talk freely about this experince - which is, once again - being treated by medical professionals for mental illness.

Is there still anything confusing you about this? If there is, I am sure all your questions can be answered by actually reading what was posted here. But keeping in the tradition of 911 Truth, even if there is answer posted in front of you, you are aware of it, and everyone here knows that you know the answer...please don't hesitate to ask it again.

 

[jj-158]

I have almost finished a PhD in Educational Psychology, so I not entirely unquaified. But that really is not the issue.

And I can say that I have a better education than you.

Would you believe me, if I did?

And it is at this point I have stop and ask, did you actually read any of this thread? The people we are talking about here stated they had been treated by medical professionals for mental illness. The point is that some significant number of people involved in the Truth Movement talk freely about this experince - which is, once again - being treated by medical professionals for mental illness.

Some significant number? What number is that?

Is there still anything confusing you about this? If there is, I am sure all your questions can be answered by actually reading what was posted here. But keeping in the tradition of 911 Truth, even if there is answer posted in front of you, you are aware of it, and everyone here knows that you know the answer...please don't hesitate to ask it again.

That you think I am a truther merely stresses my point: That people here seem to be extremely eager to jump to unfounded conclusions.

 

[Scott Sommers]

And I can say that I have a better education than you.

Would you believe me, if I did?



Some significant number? What number is that?



That you think I am a truther merely stresses my point: That people here seem to be extremely eager to jump to unfounded conclusions.

This is rapidly descending into one of those silly things about how a 'true' skeptic questions absolutely everything. I doubt very many people here really want to go there.

In keeping with my other observations, there is no point at which I said you were a Truther. Perhaps you should read my comment again.

In answer to your question about numbers, clearly you have not read the thread. If you had, you would know the answer to this question. Until you do, I think I will not be answering any of your questions.

 

[jj-158]

This is rapidly descending into one of those silly things about how a 'true' skeptic questions absolutely everything. I doubt very many people here really want to go there.

Now you are jumping to conclusions again: That is not my position at all. I merely asked why we should believe you, when anyone could say they had your education.

In keeping with my other observations, there is no point at which I said you were a Truther. Perhaps you should read my comment again.

I am sorry if I misunderstood your comment about "keeping in the tradition of 911 Truth". What did you mean?

In answer to your question about numbers, clearly you have not read the thread. If you had, you would know the answer to this question. Until you do, I think I will not be answering any of your questions.

I fail to see any survey of the total number of Truth-members, that's all. If you don't have that, there is no way you could some significant number of people involved in the Truth Movement talk freely about being treated by medical professionals for mental illness.

Nobody knows how many truthers there are. So, you cannot say that a significant number of them talk freely about being treated by medical professionals for mental illness.

You have seen some truthers do that. But that is all you can say.

 

[T.A.M.]

I find it very disturbing that a group of self-identifying skeptics are so eager to diagnose mental illness in people they haven't even met, nor are qualified to do so.

You are quite correct. The DIAGNOSIS of a mental illness requires a full history and physical as well as the expertise of a medical professional.

That is why in threads such as these i try to confine my comments to general observations on behaviour patterns i see in members of the truth movement.

TAM

Edit: btw, i am qualified to do so.

 

[jj-158]

You are quite correct. The DIAGNOSIS of a mental illness requires a full history and physcial as well as the expertise of a medical professional.

That is why in threads such as these i try to confine my comments to general observations on behaviour patterns i see in members of the truth movement.

TAM

Quite right.

 

[A W Smith]

I call em as the professionals see em

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...aranoia-911-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories


http://books.google.com/books?id=8t...lausible visions of a lunatic fringe"&f=false

 

[Thunder]

Fact: many Truthers appear to experience feelings and emotions, that would classify one as being mentally ill.

 

[Scott Sommers]

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...aranoia-911-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories


http://books.google.com/books?id=8t...lausible visions of a lunatic fringe"&f=false

While it is true that the writers of this article are 'professionals', they are probably not 'qualified' in the sense that T.A.M meant it when he said

...Edit: btw, i am qualified to do so.

Both of them are described as "social psychologists". They would probably have no legal ability to label anyone as mentally ill. Their use of the terms "paranoid" and "paranoia" is not meant to be used as a diagnosis of mental illness. In fact, nowhere in the article is paranoia referred to as a mental illness.

What T.A.M. is probably referring to with them term "qualified" is his ability as a licensed physician to have people treated medically, even against their will, because of his professional belief in their mental illness - T.A.M. Would that be right?

What I was referring in my post was also quite different from either of these. I am genuinely surprised at the number of Truthers who talk openly about having been diagnosed by a physicianas mentally ill. Some of them have even boasted about this as if it's some sort of statement of protest.

That is, unless it's those pesky shapeshifting reptiles pretending their Truthers and spreading disinfo.

 

[jj-158]

I am genuinely surprised at the number of Truthers who talk openly about having been diagnosed by a physicianas mentally ill.

Number compared to what? Unless you can compare it to the whole group, you only have unsubstantiated belief. That is hardly the skeptical way to go about these things.

Some of them have even boasted about this as if it's some sort of statement of protest.

Wouldn't that imply that some perhaps are merely bragging? Perhaps that group haven't even gotten a medical diagnosis at all, but merely wanted to 'fit in' - as perverted as it admittedly sounds.

I don't see why you mistrust what truthers say, except when they speak - boast, even - of just how crazy they are.

 

[jj-158]

scott.in.taiwan,

What if the group in question was not truthers, but skeptics?

'The people we are talking about here stated they had been treated by medical professionals for mental illness. The point is that some significant number of people involved in skepticism talk freely about this experience - which is, once again - being treated by medical professionals for mental illness.'

You would never, ever, accept such a claim.

Yet, when it is truthers, you accept it - and demand that we accept it, too - happily, blindly, without question.

 

[T.A.M.]

Scott,

You are correct, as a licenced gp i can confine someone against their will for 24h. I can do so only ifin my judgement the patient is a danger to themselves, others, or their property. After 24h, another physician assessment and signature is needed to hold the patient.

That said, by qualified, i meant that i am qualified to assess and diagnose someone with mental illness.

TAM

 

[Scott Sommers]

Scott,

You are correct, as a licenced gp i can confine someone against their will for 24h. I can do so only ifin my judgement the patient is a danger to themselves, others, or their property. After 24h, another physician assessment and signature is needed to hold the patient.

That said, by qualified, i meant that i am qualified to assess and diagnose someone with mental illness.

TAM

But I presume you agree there are a significant number of people involved with 911 Truth who could benefit from quite dramatic medical intervention. I would include here, 911 Truth knowledge sources such as Jeff Hill.