Mental illness and 9/11

[carlitos]

Keeping in mind that I'm not a mental health professional, a few possibilities come to mind...

1. He's trolling
2. He's a pathological liar
3. He may suffer some other illness (disorganized thinking is a possible manifestation of schizophrenia; this may also explain why he attempted to defend schizophrenia as healthy in certain contexts)

Check. "my country" - sure, pal. He's in junior college somewhere in Kansas, I bet.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Some Scottish guy posted an awesome thread over at the ATS loony bin. He is promoting the banning of those with admitted mental illness, since it is being arged that places like that only re-inforce their delusional thinking.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread595425/pg1

Some not so shockers: 3 moderators have a diagnosed mental illness - hear voices, schrizophrenia.

This is kind of off topic but the fact that ATS promotes people to be moderators who have mental illnesses that would make them more gullible to CT thinking is...ironic. It really is the blind leading the blind, over there.

I would put 9/11 truthers, and other conspiracy theories, into three broad classifications

1) The Mentally Ill People - These are the people who believe in the CT because they have a real mental illness. Paranoid schizophrenia, delusions of grandeur, etc.
2) People Who Are Scared of Events Beyond Human Control - This group of people believe in CT because they offer a comforting view of how controlled forces plan all things that are "bad" in the world. Its not that some earthquake randomly occurred beyond human control and killed people for no reason, but that the evil US government fired HAARP at Haiti in an effort to control the political system there.
3) People Who Love Hidden Knowledge - This sect doesn't really fit into (1) or (2), but they believe in CT because there is something sexy and alluring about having "secret knowledge" about what REALLY goes on in the world that the rest of the sheeple don't. They like to feel like the elite forces of truth. If any CT were ever to become "mainstream", this group would find another wacky idea to believe in instead.

 

[Thunder]

I certainly do have my problems, for example, despite being universally acknowledged as being highly proficient in my previous area of expertise I have had to retrain in a completely field in order to get another job. So yes, I do have my problems, mental issues, however, are not among them.

I thought you said you were a 9-11 Truther and Holocaust denier.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Some Scottish guy posted an awesome thread over at the ATS loony bin. He is promoting the banning of those with admitted mental illness, since it is being arged that places like that only re-inforce their delusional thinking.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread595425/pg1

Some not so shockers: 3 moderators have a diagnosed mental illness - hear voices, schrizophrenia.

Where does it say this? I read through almost the whole post and could find no reference to the 3 mentally ill moderators.

 

[dafydd]

I thought you said you were a 9-11 Truther and Holocaust denier.

Cast iron evidence of metal health problems.

 

[Fonebone]

Thank you for the info.

Concerning my other response to you, are we on the same page that your
disagreement is with the terminology "illness"? Have I made it clear, and
understandable why I refer to it as an illness?
Thanks
TAM

No - You haven't made yourself clear nor understandable.
You stated unequivically the PTSD is a "Mental Illness"
Let's start with the US ARMY definition of PTSD from the
National Institute of Mental Health eh ?

http://www.army.mil/-news/2010/03/0...3409375633223151728#docid=8071892742127117543
[excerpt]
For over 40 years Ken Costich, a former Army colonel, has dealt wit
post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms.

Lucien Mason, a former lance corporal in the Marine Corps has also coped
with PTSD since he returned from Vietnam, more than 35 years ago.
Both men have endured medical treatment and sought psychological
assistance from professionals, and both men are turning to service dogs
as a last resort.
According to the National Institute of Mental Health, PTSD is an
"anxiety disorder'that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event
or ordeal in which physical harm occurred or was threatened." [/excerpt]

OK T.A.M. - Are these two combat veterans " Mentally Ill "?

Here is a story about a military working dog that came home from Iraq with PTSD.
Is this dog " mentally ill " T.A.M.?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/03/bombsniffing-dog-gina-com_n_668522.html

I think you owe all PTSD suffers a more thorough explanation of your
diagnosis and why the veteran's PTSD disqualifies him or her from thinking
and speaking intelligently about the murderous attacks of 9/11 !

 

[little grey rabbit]

So to summarize, you were in Germany, and you were in custody for something, and you thought that your activities of denying the holocaust would end you up in deeper trouble, so clearly you weren't in court for that, so what were you in court for originally?

Why did the court order you to be held and to undergo psychiatric evaluation?

How did refusing to cooperate get you off of whatever the charges were and released exactly, how did you exploit this?

If you weren't diagnosed, due to your non cooperation, then what was the "treatment" for mental illness that you endured.

And this was all because you believe in 911 CTs? How do you figure?

This is what you call being "forced by repulsive elites to undergo mental illness treatment for believing in 911 conspiracies"?

What you have claimed, makes no sense at all and makes you look crazy.

Not even close. Talk about disordered thinking.

 

[The Platypus]

Not even close. Talk about disordered thinking.

Nice try, but of course it's not even close and it's disordered thinking, because those were questions about your the lies that you spewed, it's your bs story and your disordered thinking that makes no sense in the first place.

Notice i've already said your story makes no sense and that i don't believe it.

 

[Disbelief]

No - You haven't made yourself clear nor understandable.
You stated unequivically the PTSD is a "Mental Illness"

[excerpt]

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, PTSD is an
"anxiety disorder'that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event
or ordeal in which physical harm occurred or was threatened." [/excerpt]

You do realize that psychologists/psychiatrists consider "anxiety disorders" as mental illness?

http://www.bu.edu/cpr/reasaccom/whatis-psych.html

Anxiety disorders, the most common group of mental illnesses, are characterized by severe fear or anxiety associated with particular objects and situations. Most people with anxiety disorders try to avoid exposure to the situation that causes anxiety.

<snipped other types>

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) - a psychological syndrome characterized by specific symptoms that result from exposure to terrifying, life-threatening trauma such as an act of violence, war, or a natural disaster

 

[T.A.M.]

Fonebone:

1. You seem irritated, and i am. Not sure why. No one is saying people with PTSD are crazy. When a physician refers to an illness, physical or mental, they are simply referring to ANY condition which deviates from the normal human status, that impacts in a negative fashion on that person. A cold is an illness. Depression is an illness, generalized anxiety disorder is an illness, cancer is an illness.

2. I am not deviating from what is considered acceptable in my profession by referring to it as an illness. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the AAFP, or your local medical board.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Oh and fonebone,

I don't owe anyone an explanation. I tried to make myself clearer out of the goodness of my soul but, given your obvious bitterness, i can see it was wasted...oh well.

TAM

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Plausiable deniablility is also a trait of an illness. Truthers just love a theory that seems plausiable, but they completely deny the evidence that shatters their theory.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Where does it say this? I read through almost the whole post and could find no reference to the 3 mentally ill moderators.

Read it again.

One of the mods interacting with the OP says he has been treated for schizo. Another chimed in to say that he hears voices and linked to another thread he started about it.

I forget about the third.

On another note, one of the 3 head honchos there is married to a gal that posts under the handle Valhall. She's a truther and sees ghosts all the time in their house.

 

[little grey rabbit]

It seems to me that possibly Nazi doctors might have considered people who said the SS were gassing Jews in chambers disguised as showers to have been psychotic or schizophrenic....

 

[little grey rabbit]

Plausiable deniablility is also a trait of an illness. Truthers just love a theory that seems plausiable, but they completely deny the evidence that shatters their theory.

I don't think you understand what plausible deniability means. Plausible deniability means behaviour that you can deny if you believe exposure being to your disadvantage.

For example a poster here Macgyver in a rather silly thread I started about calender reform and illuminati sponsored terrorism, suddenly went off on a tagent discussing submarines and ended up saying "go too deep and BOOM, you're dead"
Not it is POSSIBLE to imagine (in a situation where the Illuminati did sponsor terrorism on certain significant dates of the Julian calender) to have been a concealed threat. Equally possible he just suddenly became interested in submarines.

But this is an example of plausible deniability, if you call him on this as having a possible (and sinister) double meaning he can plausibly deny it.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Read it again.

One of the mods interacting with the OP says he has been treated for schizo. Another chimed in to say that he hears voices and linked to another thread he started about it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

On another note, one of the 3 head honchos there is married to a gal that posts under the handle Valhall. She's a truther and sees ghosts all the time in their house.

It's been known for a long time that diagnosis for mental illness assorts in married couples and couples living together.
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/110/468/683
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/39/10/1173

 

[jammonius]

There is much, MUCH, that has already been posted on this forum, about this topic, but I will say...

I have no doubt that the percentage of mentally ill that become "truthers" is much higher then those who become fascinated with global warming, starving in Darfur, or some other publicized issue.

THe suggestion that an all powerful, mean and evil NWO could have plotted it and carried out, feeds directly into their paranoia.

TAM

I have done a forum-search on 'mental illness and 9/11' with a result of 3 pages of threads, with this one being in the top spot and with the 'ALL 43 video' thread for which I did the OP at the 3rd spot in that search result compilation.

Interesting.

I then did another search based on: 'Mental illness and 9/11 debunkers'.

That search result returned a mere 6 results in total:

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...26090&highlight=mental+illness+9/11+debunkers

It would appear that those who discuss MENTAL ILLNESS as it relates to 9/11 do not adhere to the Socratic Admonition: "KNOW THYSELF" very much, if at all.

Those who seem intent on spouting off about mental illness have not done much in the way of looking in the mirror so to speak.

It can fairly be pointed out, I think, that a proper discussion of mental health should include at least a small bit of willingness to assess oneself. Afterall, it is well settled and understood that anyone who seeks to become a mental health professional at or above a certain level, and especially among psychiatrists and doctor-level psychotherapists, those practitioners must themselves undergo rigorous psychoanalysis, right posters?

Anyone here disagree with the need for a little self-awareness?

Look, I am not here seeking merely to engage in "turnabout = fair play." Rather, I am merely suggesting that a comprehensive and well-rounded discussion of 9/11 and mental illness should at least mention, once in awhile, even if only in a 'blue moon' the mental health implications of 9/11 for debunkers and, more importantly, for the population as a whole.

For instance, let me ask whether the concept of "shock & awe" military tactics that seek to impact the psychological response of an entire population has been considered from a mental health perspective.

You folks know what's coming next, right?

Assessment of 9/11 as a psyop.

I won't hold my breathe waiting for responses on any of the aspects of mental health mentioned in this post.

Enjoy your thread.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I don't think you understand what plausible deniability means. Plausible deniability means behaviour that you can deny if you believe exposure being to your disadvantage.

For example a poster here Macgyver in a rather silly thread I started about calender reform and illuminati sponsored terrorism, suddenly went off on a tagent discussing submarines and ended up saying "go too deep and BOOM, you're dead"
Not it is POSSIBLE to imagine (in a situation where the Illuminati did sponsor terrorism on certain significant dates of the Julian calender) to have been a concealed threat. Equally possible he just suddenly became interested in submarines.

But this is an example of plausible deniability, if you call him on this as having a possible (and sinister) double meaning he can plausibly deny it.

See what your problem is LGR? You didn't like it when McGyver started talking about submarines, but it's ok for you to start talking about the "illuminati". So McGyver made a fair move about submarines, crying about it can't solve your problem about the "illuminati". You can say all you want about them, it just doesn't mean anything to anyone in here. Placing blame on a group is just as equal as a hate crime & then some.

You just think that the "illuminati" should be like the Jews because you want to see some people get the blame for a crime they didn't commit.

Hence your plausible deniability factor!

Plus you targeting McGyver, is just not right.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I have done a forum-search on 'mental illness and 9/11' with a result of 3 pages of threads, with this one being in the top spot and with the 'ALL 43 video' thread for which I did the OP at the 3rd spot in that search result compilation.

Interesting.

I then did another search based on: 'Mental illness and 9/11 debunkers'.

That search result returned a mere 6 results in total:

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...26090&highlight=mental+illness+9/11+debunkers

It would appear that those who discuss MENTAL ILLNESS as it relates to 9/11 do not adhere to the Socratic Admonition: "KNOW THYSELF" very much, if at all.

Those who seem intent on spouting off about mental illness have not done much in the way of looking in the mirror so to speak.

It can fairly be pointed out, I think, that a proper discussion of mental health should include at least a small bit of willingness to assess oneself. Afterall, it is well settled and understood that anyone who seeks to become a mental health professional at or above a certain level, and especially among psychiatrists and doctor-level psychotherapists, those practitioners must themselves undergo rigorous psychoanalysis, right posters?

Anyone here disagree with the need for a little self-awareness?

Look, I am not here seeking merely to engage in "turnabout = fair play." Rather, I am merely suggesting that a comprehensive and well-rounded discussion of 9/11 and mental illness should at least mention, once in awhile, even if only in a 'blue moon' the mental health implications of 9/11 for debunkers and, more importantly, for the population as a whole.

For instance, let me ask whether the concept of "shock & awe" military tactics that seek to impact the psychological response of an entire population has been considered from a mental health perspective.

You folks know what's coming next, right?

Assessment of 9/11 as a psyop.

I won't hold my breathe waiting for responses on any of the aspects of mental health mentioned in this post.

Enjoy your thread.

So you admit that you have a mental illness when you talk about "No-planes"? Bravo, bravo!

 

[Thunder]

It seems to me that possibly Nazi doctors might have considered people who said the SS were gassing Jews in chambers disguised as showers to have been psychotic or schizophrenic....

the Nazis also accused ANYONE who disagreed with them of being traitors, spies, and are part of a conspiracy.

sorta like what many Truthers say about debunkers