• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Medium finds missing woman in UK river

Vixen said:
snip...



This refers to that Curtis Media chap and his go-pro camera. Note, the 'psychic' didn't have one and he was allowed to actually stand over the body on the bank to point it out to the helicopter and other cops.

snip....
Click to expand...

How do you know they are not referring to the psychic?* could be the media guy wasn't considered 'in the zone' as he took the pictures from a distance....or was not considered a member of the public as he was a card carrying journalist (I seem to recall).

*Alternatively, if they are referring to the picture taker that does not mean the psychic was a cop. It could simply be that as the (supposed) finder of the body he was automatically allowed in the zone and they just saw no need to comment on that.

NB I am just commenting on your assertions - I have not read the report which may give more detail.
 
Last edited:
Vixen said:
Citation, please.
Click to expand...

This thread. You should read it, some incredible contributions from someone called Vixen.

Vixen said:
As a hard-headed scientist (psychology) I am curious as to how people tick. Unlike others I am not going to revile Mr. Rothwell as a mentally ill fraudster just as a knee jerk gesture.

Rothwell appears to be a psychic medium who 'produced the goods' as it were. Therefore, it is an excellent opportunity to discover what exactly he did and how.
Click to expand...

Vixen said:
You said:

"science over the last few decades have ruled out any such powers".

IMV science progresses all the time.
Click to expand...

Vixen said:
It's called being open-minded. I'll be interested to understand Mr. Rothwell's claims. Having done some sleuthing, it seems he supposedly rang up the police quite a few times and the day he found the body was the first time he had been there and only went to point out the location to the police. His Modus Operandi appears to be he has a 'spirit guide' who acts as an agent between the dead person and Mr. Rothwell.

Obviously anybody would be sceptical about this but that doesn't mean we can't take a scientific interest in how he came to be schlepping around the River Wyre by his own account as using his 'gift' as a medium.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Lothian said:
Only skimmed the report but I think the high tide was a mere coincidence. The most likely time was based on how long experts said it would take for the body to bloat and resurface rather that the tide lifting the body.
Click to expand...

Vixen is partly correct, the prediction seems to have been based on a combination of the two. From page 31 and 32:
The experts provided daily advice to the search team, giving estimated indications for the potential flotation date for Nicola’s body to rise to the surface. These estimations were calculated using data sourced from the tides, water and weather, combined with the individual characteristics and clothing information. Based on the data available, the expert from the University of Dundee estimated a likely flotation date between 6 and 12 February, with the latest being 13 March. The expert from the Association of Lowland Search and Rescue advised that the earliest flotation date would be 14 February, with the most likely date being 20 February and the latest being 5 March.
...
From the tidal information and the predictions by experts, it was anticipated that the weekend of 18-19 February might become significant in the search to find Nicola. Resources and tactics were planned for a large-scale search on the afternoon of 19 February, as the tide ebbed. Sunday 19 February was also the first high tide since Nicola’s disappearance, with 20 cubic metres of water per second moving over the weir. This predicted tidal movement would likely contribute to a floating body on the surface, moving with the tide.
Click to expand...

(I'm a little confused by "the first high tide since Nicola’s disappearance"; aren't there two high tides a day?)
 
Last edited:
zooterkin said:
... I'm a little confused by "the first high tide since Nicola’s disappearance"; aren't there two high tides a day?
Click to expand...

I'm puzzled too. I wondered if it might mean a spring tide but no, there was a spring tide on 8th Feb, neap tide on 15th Feb and the next spring tide would not be until 23rd Feb. https://tides.today/en/journal/spring-tides-2023

Perhaps the comma is misleading and it intended to say it was the first time there had been 20 cubic metres of water per second moving over the weir. It's not very clear what it's implying. Earlier it does say there was probably sufficient flow on the day Nicola disappeared to carry a body over the weir, beyond which the river becomes tidal. Though if the body had sunk then it might not be carried over the weir until it floated again. Perhaps that's what it means but it uses different ways to express the flowrate. On the day of the disappearance it says there was 0.46m (depth I infer) of flow over the weir. When she was found they say the flow was 20m3/s making it hard to compare, and in between those dates it doesn't say.

So I guess all it's saying is there might have been enough river flow to carry her over the weir on the day she disappeared if she was floating, but there was also high flow over it on the day she was found.
 
Last edited:
I may now be overthinking this but it looks as if there was at least 30 cubic metres per second coming over the weir on the day Nicola disappeared. (The report says the river was running at 3.8m/s and there was 0.46m of water coming over the weir. From Google maps it looks as if the weir is roughly 18m wide.)

That just makes it more confusing what the report intends to imply when it mentions 20 cubic metres per second on the day she was found.

<edit> No. Scrub that. The 3.8m/s seems to refer to the place she fell in, not at the weir.
 
Last edited:
I genuinely love the idea that a police department would have an undercover agent pretending to be a psychic for years, just in case they can somehow use that cover some time down the road.

I'm not quite sure how his cover helped in this case. I mean, maybe if the cops hadn't wanted to confess that they use science in order to predict when the corpse would surface, then this psychic pose might have been useful, but in the end they really did admit to using science, so that was a missed opportunity.

Still, keep his little website running and his storefront open, if he has one of those, and one of these days, this cover will prove useful. And when that happens, the guy who came up with it will look like a friggin' genius.

So count me all in on this part of Vixen's theory. Can't wait to hear the podcast about the fake psychic cop some day.
 
zooterkin said:
(I'm a little confused by "the first high tide since Nicola’s disappearance"; aren't there two high tides a day?)
Click to expand...


They are probably referring to "spring" and "neap" tides, where "the first high tide" should more properly called the first spring tide?


Compus
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom