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Merged Mayan documentary

tim said:
Sounds to me that tourist numbers need a boost. Cynical? Moi? :D
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yes it is my opinion that on the occaison of a government releasing files that prove ancient alien contact it will not be the minister for tourism who announces it
:D
 
aliensdidit said:
There is going to be a document released next year that will show newly released documents from the mexican goverment that show E.T contact with the Mayans:

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column...ology-or-mysti
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/...?newsfeed=true

The Mexican goverment will release never before seen artifacts that show new understanding of the Mayan calander as well evidence of ET visitation. It will completly change the understanding of our world
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It makes us understand how to link to other web pages?
 
He's now claiming to have Stephen Hawking's support:

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=678294

The filmmakers behind "Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," who said that their film will reveal evidence of contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, have now released to TheWrap what they claim is photographic evidence of a pre-Mayan, alien civilization.

And they claim they've got Stephen Hawking on their side.

Producer Raul Julia-Levy supplied a photo (left), which he says was taken in southern Guatemala in the 1930s, showing a head carved in the jungle.

The monument, according to an accompanying letter by archaeologist Hector E. Mejia, dates back to between 3,500 and 5,000 B.C. and is evidence of a superior civilization unlike any known to have lived on Earth.

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Julia-Levy then passed along a direct quote that, he claimed, came from no less than Stephen Hawking, whom he said "is going to work with us" and will be included in his film: "'I warn humanity that aliens are out there. Just because the aliens were friends with the Mayans doesn't mean they are our friends. Humans should avoid contact with aliens at all costs.'"
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So this whole argument is based on a dual claim that the native Mayans were too inferior to produce such a bust and that they were incapable of abstractions on the facial form.
Seems to me the author of this piece is a bit of a nasty racist piece of work.
 
Bit OT. What of the argument "Civilization X was too primitive to do Y without help from aliens". What are the popular remarks to this argument when it is brought up?
Such as evidence they provide etc.

I am curious to know why people believe so heavily in the frailty of human beings.
 
CMacDady said:
Bit OT. What of the argument "Civilization X was too primitive to do Y without help from aliens". What are the popular remarks to this argument when it is brought up?
Such as evidence they provide etc.

I am curious to know why people believe so heavily in the frailty of human beings.
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A good retort would be Stonehenge, which doesn't get mentioned as "alien-assisted", as far as I know.

It is a very clear case of racism, since European structures are rarely attributed to aliens.
 
Bram Kaandorp said:
A good retort would be Stonehenge, which doesn't get mentioned as "alien-assisted", as far as I know.

It is a very clear case of racism, since European structures are rarely attributed to aliens.
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Yet, for example, Mayan and Egyptian structures are targeted?

I can see why it can be seen as racism, but those that I have listened to who claim 'alien-assistance' are focused heavily on the idea that humans did not have the capability to preform the feats. They would most likely deny any racist intentions.
 
CMacDady said:
Yet, for example, Mayan and Egyptian structures are targeted?

I can see why it can be seen as racism, but those that I have listened to who claim 'alien-assistance' are focused heavily on the idea that humans did not have the capability to preform the feats. They would most likely deny any racist intentions.
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Well, if they will claim that the Mayans didn't have the capability, then why would the builders of Stonehenge be any different? They built it much earlier, to boot.
 
Bram Kaandorp said:
Well, if they will claim that the Mayans didn't have the capability, then why would the builders of Stonehenge be any different? They built it much earlier, to boot.
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Alright. If they specifically denied 'alien assistance' for the Stonehenge case then I agree, they can't deny they are ignoring facts about one civilization and judging another.

Lets take a case where someone believes all of these structures around the world were 'alien assisted'. There must be cases of those people out there and something fueling their belief in the matter.
 
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Actually a lot of European structures, including Stonehenge, have had claims of extra-terrestrial assistance.

As a historian, it annoys the heck out of me.

The idea that earlier man was somehow less intelligent than we are just because they didn't have our technology is ridiculous and ignorant. I don't know any reputable historian who supports such nonsense.

Every time period has had it's geniuses, it's idiots and it's mass of humanity, often led by one or the other. The incredible achievements of people even thousands of years ago often rival what we can do now. Knowledge might be missing... but inventiveness and perseverance were not.

Sorry for the rant, but these people not only annoy me, they distort the view that people have of historical research. Just like most scientists, historians are trying to find out what really happened, based on verifiable information. If you can come up with evidence of aliens, fine. However, movies like that start with their premise and make the data fit the premise. That is always a mistake, in any field.
 
RobDegraves said:
Actually a lot of European structures, including Stonehenge, have had claims of extra-terrestrial assistance.

As a historian, it annoys the heck out of me.

The idea that earlier man was somehow less intelligent than we are just because they didn't have our technology is ridiculous and ignorant. I don't know any reputable historian who supports such nonsense.

Every time period has had it's geniuses, it's idiots and it's mass of humanity, often led by one or the other. The incredible achievements of people even thousands of years ago often rival what we can do now. Knowledge might be missing... but inventiveness and perseverance were not.

Sorry for the rant, but these people not only annoy me, they distort the view that people have of historical research. Just like most scientists, historians are trying to find out what really happened, based on verifiable information. If you can come up with evidence of aliens, fine. However, movies like that start with their premise and make the data fit the premise. That is always a mistake, in any field.
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Ok this is more of what I was looking for. So some of the cases that I mentioned are from individuals believing that past humans had inferior intelligence than current times?

I thought this may have been one of the cases, but it seemed odd to me that someone would think such a thing.
 
And then there are the claims of a Government Conspiracy to boot - The giant stone head in the photo was moved to United State and hidden!!!!
 
Ok this is more of what I was looking for. So some of the cases that I mentioned are from individuals believing that past humans had inferior intelligence than current times?

I thought this may have been one of the cases, but it seemed odd to me that someone would think such a thing.
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Actually this is something I have discussed a number of times in the past.

My specialty is the middle ages and I once did a series of "lectures" in various high schools around the Ottawa area. There were having medieval days and I was invited to speak and answer questions. These being high school students, I included a number of amusing stories to entertain as well as teach. For example, that bees were believed to have no feet... because their Latin name is Apes. (A - pes = no feet) Always, a number of students would say "They were really dumb". Then I would counter with the amazing things that were done in the distant past to illustrate the difference. Some people, in even the distant past, showed incredible intelligence, calculating the circumference of the Earth based on shadows in a well; incredible daring, imagine setting out to cross the Atlantic in a wooden boat with no navigation aids other than the stars or digging mines by candle light; and incredible perseverance.

Ignorance is one thing. Stupid is another. I think that movie is more of the latter than the former.

One of the things that bugs me about the aliens thing.... why should the people who worked so hard to produce such achievements be ignored by posterity just because some people can't believe they could.
 
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I feel similar. I am just very interested in what drives that line of thinking so intensely.
The people I have heard talk about aliens, do so with such passion. They would look at us who applaud people for making great achievements, and get angry that we were so stupid for denying "evidence" that it couldn't have been.

I don't think I will get in a debate on the issue any time soon, but I feel like if I knew why these people get so caught up I could better illuminate the contrary.
 
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